Well on Saturday, Trisha and I got up early to check out a farmers' market just south of Winnipeg. Our trip was truly enjoyable as we were meet with many yummy veggies, breads, meats and other products. I am pretty sure the farmers' market will become a staple in our household during our stay in Winnipeg. Part of the reason we wanted to check out the market is due to an article that appeared in the Christian Week in May describing a 100 Mile Diet that they were organizing to begin in September. The idea is that you only eat foods that are produced within a 100 miles of Winnipeg. As I read the article something seemed 'right' about the idea of eating what is locally produced.
In the past couple years a couple of close friends have gone through quiet an ordeal in regards to health issues. I believe this is due to what goes into the fruits and veggies that we consume from the supermarket. As I thought more about this issues I think it is a justice issues to buy and support local business. I am looking forward to time at the market most Saturday mornings till Thanksgiving. My prize find from Saturday is a Cranberry Hemp Cinnamon Buns...so good..yummy
Monday, August 06, 2007
The two lenses of life.....
Well I got the latest issue of Geez (http://www.geezmagazine.org/). I always appreciate the perspectives that they present. As I was scanning the pages one image stood out immediately, a pair of glasses - each lenses with a list of views that dominate our world. I think the idea of consumerism is so prevalent in our society. I feel at I do an adequate job at fighting the urges and messages that the Powers That Be give. However, I wonder how much my success has to do with my debt that looms large over my head. Well here are the two lenses
Lens 1: 1. I need more stuff. 2. I will earn enough to fulfill every whim and avoid all things unpleasant. 3. I am defined by my stuff and my solid position. 4. I am an island. 5. The world is mine to use as I please. 6. It's all about what I want, I will only give if I get back. 7. I will do whatever it takes, no matter the cost. 8. Media is my tool to create want and make money. 9. Me and my country --we'll toss you some scraps. 10. It's not my problem. 11. What I want, when I want and where I want.
Lens 2: 1. I am content. 2. I will use only what I need and enjoy growth in community. 3. I am what I live. 4. i am part of the greater whole. 5. The world is a gift to be to be treated with care and shared. 6. I will only take what I need and give as much as I can. 7. I will work together with others to achieve a unified goal. 8. Media, is a way to share information and ideas. 9. My country and your are part of the same small earth. 10. What can I do to help? 11. I am connected and function in community.
Lens 1: 1. I need more stuff. 2. I will earn enough to fulfill every whim and avoid all things unpleasant. 3. I am defined by my stuff and my solid position. 4. I am an island. 5. The world is mine to use as I please. 6. It's all about what I want, I will only give if I get back. 7. I will do whatever it takes, no matter the cost. 8. Media is my tool to create want and make money. 9. Me and my country --we'll toss you some scraps. 10. It's not my problem. 11. What I want, when I want and where I want.
Lens 2: 1. I am content. 2. I will use only what I need and enjoy growth in community. 3. I am what I live. 4. i am part of the greater whole. 5. The world is a gift to be to be treated with care and shared. 6. I will only take what I need and give as much as I can. 7. I will work together with others to achieve a unified goal. 8. Media, is a way to share information and ideas. 9. My country and your are part of the same small earth. 10. What can I do to help? 11. I am connected and function in community.
Thursday, August 02, 2007
New Job....
Well its been almost a month since my last post. I'm not sure if that is because of business, married, life. I think the most appropriate response is time, because I keep on meaning to blog event that have happened or something I read. I figure the best way back into the blog world is an update on my job.
On Tuesday, I started a new job, I think this one is a keeper. I am a Youth Treatment Worker at the Behavioral Health Foundation(http://www.bhf.ca) in Selkirk a treatment centre for males 12-17 suffering from addictions or from families with addictive histories. I am really enjoying the work so far, even though I am primarily reading policy and procedures manual. I think I will enjoy the challenges. Well that is my brief update....
All the best,
Chris
On Tuesday, I started a new job, I think this one is a keeper. I am a Youth Treatment Worker at the Behavioral Health Foundation(http://www.bhf.ca) in Selkirk a treatment centre for males 12-17 suffering from addictions or from families with addictive histories. I am really enjoying the work so far, even though I am primarily reading policy and procedures manual. I think I will enjoy the challenges. Well that is my brief update....
All the best,
Chris
Wednesday, July 04, 2007
Trisha left me...
Well I am a bachelor again...well for a few days anyways. Trisha has gone to help her sister Jackie for her wedding this weekend in Moose Jaw. Should be a fun weekend, I'll head that way come Friday. I am excited because I get to spent sometime with Mrs. Jans, who was my 'second mother' during my years living in Swift Current. Yeah for another road trip
Church Fathers and Post-Modernism
Recently, Tony Jones (http://theoblogy.blogspot.com/)posted a paper he presented at a conference at Wheaton College. The paper is very good, in the role of ancient fathers for post-modern Christian communities. The paper was intended to be part of a publication, however people at Wheaton deceided not to include the paper. This is becoming the norm whenever emergent thinkers encounter a type of evangelicalism. Give it a read.
Friday, June 29, 2007
New Job...
Well, I start a new job on Tuesday, which is great new cause working with the intellectually disabled is definitely not for me. I found the position boring.
Actually, I think what made the position is that one of the guys is deaf. The deaf guy also is slightly violent( a fact that the house manager keeps on minimizes), so when ever he gets up set or is grumpy he often swings at people for no reason. Well thankfully I don't have to do that full-time, I am staying their part-time. I am not sure how long that will last, hopefully some other part-time gig will come up.
Actually, I think what made the position is that one of the guys is deaf. The deaf guy also is slightly violent( a fact that the house manager keeps on minimizes), so when ever he gets up set or is grumpy he often swings at people for no reason. Well thankfully I don't have to do that full-time, I am staying their part-time. I am not sure how long that will last, hopefully some other part-time gig will come up.
Wednesday, June 27, 2007
The God of peace....
This past March, I had a great conversation with a close friend over a bottle of wine about what it means to be a Christian today. My friend mentioned that the one thing that propels him to remain a Christian is that he know that God is for peace and stands up for the oppressed. I would agree that whenever I read the Old Testament this stream shines through.
At times I wonder how this God of peace works. I live in a world that so many people are in bondage to the systems of the world (many systems that many Christians in the west believe are 'God ordained'). It is hard at times not to slip into cynicism. However, I see a God who acts through his people in this world.
I've been listening a lot to Tom Waits recently and find his song 'Road to Peace' to be the most honest song about peace. I am weary of any violence in the name of God. I've often heard the 'Just War' theory about violence, especially with the recent wars. However, I am a firm believer in Gandhi's theory of Satyagraha, that believes a just end must have a just means. This belief naturally makes the genocide and violence in the Old Testament hard to read and understand in a view of a God of peace.
At times I wonder how this God of peace works. I live in a world that so many people are in bondage to the systems of the world (many systems that many Christians in the west believe are 'God ordained'). It is hard at times not to slip into cynicism. However, I see a God who acts through his people in this world.
I've been listening a lot to Tom Waits recently and find his song 'Road to Peace' to be the most honest song about peace. I am weary of any violence in the name of God. I've often heard the 'Just War' theory about violence, especially with the recent wars. However, I am a firm believer in Gandhi's theory of Satyagraha, that believes a just end must have a just means. This belief naturally makes the genocide and violence in the Old Testament hard to read and understand in a view of a God of peace.
I have problems with this....
Well, I came across this video by Mark Driscoll(http://theresurgence.com/md_blog_2007-04-28_banned_church_planting_video ). I must admit in my few encounters with Driscoll, he always seems to rub me the wrong way. This is a video from a conference in Florida. Apparently, the conference was not so pleased with the message, Bill Hybels even criticized the video for his 'male only' views of ministry. I have seen too many women with gifts and passion for ministry to believe that God only wants men in leadership. So clearly, I disagree with Driscoll, actually I find Driscoll to be John Piper with and iPod.
I also find his emphasis on the militaristic stream of Christianity to very dangerous. Well let me know what you think
I also find his emphasis on the militaristic stream of Christianity to very dangerous. Well let me know what you think
4 year, $25,000 in debt and now what.....
Well, recently I graduated from Providence College with a 4-year BA in Youth Leadership. I must say I am glad to be done and feel my time at Providence was a time of immense growth personally. I can't speak well enough about my time at Providence. I had a both good and bad times that formed the person I am today.
The odd thing is that I don't know how the education I received will be used for a job. I don't know if I will ever be in full-time ministry. I do have a passion for ministry, but not sure if I have the characteristics churches require from a pastor. As well, with Providence being 'a liberal arts college in the evangelical tradition' as one of my profs told us puts me in an odd position. Not really identifying myself with conservative evangelical churches, which I grew up in.
After my second year at Providence, I had a crisis of sorts. After being in student leadership, during the summer I basically decided ministry was not for me and felt that my passions more aligned itself with social work. However, after reading a Brian McLaren book, I felt that ministry was my passion and church work was the only way to fulfil my passions in life.
While I still believe going back to Providence and doing an internship was the best for me, as I looked for jobs, the jobs with more a social work slant appealed to me. Sortof funny, since I almost transferred to a social work program in Winnipeg. Not sure where my life is leading me. I guess I have am torn, because I still enjoy ministry. During my last Sunday school time at church, I had a bitter-sweet experience, almost wishing that I could continue ministering in this kind of capacity and thinking this is exactly what I 'd like to be doing, but the other side knowing that the conservative evangelical community is not my home.
So I have a degree and knowledge, wisdom, and a passion for being a spiritual mentor and guide for adolescent, but do not feel I at home with the traditional church setting. So I am taking this year off from being in ministry directly, waiting on God's guidance.......
The odd thing is that I don't know how the education I received will be used for a job. I don't know if I will ever be in full-time ministry. I do have a passion for ministry, but not sure if I have the characteristics churches require from a pastor. As well, with Providence being 'a liberal arts college in the evangelical tradition' as one of my profs told us puts me in an odd position. Not really identifying myself with conservative evangelical churches, which I grew up in.
After my second year at Providence, I had a crisis of sorts. After being in student leadership, during the summer I basically decided ministry was not for me and felt that my passions more aligned itself with social work. However, after reading a Brian McLaren book, I felt that ministry was my passion and church work was the only way to fulfil my passions in life.
While I still believe going back to Providence and doing an internship was the best for me, as I looked for jobs, the jobs with more a social work slant appealed to me. Sortof funny, since I almost transferred to a social work program in Winnipeg. Not sure where my life is leading me. I guess I have am torn, because I still enjoy ministry. During my last Sunday school time at church, I had a bitter-sweet experience, almost wishing that I could continue ministering in this kind of capacity and thinking this is exactly what I 'd like to be doing, but the other side knowing that the conservative evangelical community is not my home.
So I have a degree and knowledge, wisdom, and a passion for being a spiritual mentor and guide for adolescent, but do not feel I at home with the traditional church setting. So I am taking this year off from being in ministry directly, waiting on God's guidance.......
Wednesday, June 20, 2007
The God of Job vs. The Psalms
This past week I read the Book of Job. I must say Job has always been one of my favorite books every since my teen years. Not sure what that says about me that I like a book that I always thought was a bit out of place in regards to the rest of the Old Testament. I like that it doesn't have nice answers to question and that questioning is OK.
This week I began reading Psalms. I am struck by how what transpires in Job and in Psalms are almost in conflict with one another or more precisely that Job's friends are basically using the assumption of the Psalmist to describe God. The Psalmist believes that God deals with a people in a very linear fashion, you do good -- good things happen or vis-versa.
I wonder what role the genre of Psalms plays in how we should be reading it and making statements about God taking explicitly from Psalms. This is especially important since clearly Job's friends were in the wrong in their understanding of God. I've heard many people being perturbed that Job's friends advice was seen as being erroneous.
If God deals explicitly in this do good- receive good fashion in the world, I would have to believe that God has no real influence in this world. Too often I've seen the opposite people who do good, often encounter hardship.
I like the God of Job, who allows for mystery, questions, and angry. If God would be understood in the Psalmist manner I'm not sure what I would do to the question of Theodicy. Thankfully Job gives me comfort in my pain and questioning. Maybe it is best to look to Gutierrez for the solace of Job, "The world of Retribution--and not of temporal retribution only--is not where God dwells; at most God visits it. The Lord is not prisoner of the 'Give to me and I will give to you" mentality. Nothing, no human work however valuable , merits grace, for if it did, grace would cease to be grace. This is the heart of the message of the book of Job."(Gutierrez 1987, 88-89)
This week I began reading Psalms. I am struck by how what transpires in Job and in Psalms are almost in conflict with one another or more precisely that Job's friends are basically using the assumption of the Psalmist to describe God. The Psalmist believes that God deals with a people in a very linear fashion, you do good -- good things happen or vis-versa.
I wonder what role the genre of Psalms plays in how we should be reading it and making statements about God taking explicitly from Psalms. This is especially important since clearly Job's friends were in the wrong in their understanding of God. I've heard many people being perturbed that Job's friends advice was seen as being erroneous.
If God deals explicitly in this do good- receive good fashion in the world, I would have to believe that God has no real influence in this world. Too often I've seen the opposite people who do good, often encounter hardship.
I like the God of Job, who allows for mystery, questions, and angry. If God would be understood in the Psalmist manner I'm not sure what I would do to the question of Theodicy. Thankfully Job gives me comfort in my pain and questioning. Maybe it is best to look to Gutierrez for the solace of Job, "The world of Retribution--and not of temporal retribution only--is not where God dwells; at most God visits it. The Lord is not prisoner of the 'Give to me and I will give to you" mentality. Nothing, no human work however valuable , merits grace, for if it did, grace would cease to be grace. This is the heart of the message of the book of Job."(Gutierrez 1987, 88-89)
The Word of God
Recently, I've been thinking about the phrase 'Word of God.' I am not sure I know what people mean when they talk about the 'Word of God.'
One issue I have is that often 'Word' is capitalized. I've been reading Psalms and the authors never capitalize 'Word' only God or Lord. The way people talk about it is that what the Bible says is so straight forward. The more I read the Bible the more complicated it seems and what I was taught during my childhood hints more at a stream of Christianity than being honest with the text.
I am all about respecting the Bible and putting it in a place of authority in our lives, but not if that means thinking the Bible is simply and all about us, which tends to be my experience in evangelical churches.
This past weekend, I was up in Swan River with Trisha and at the end of the service the guy in charge had a little rant about the Anglican church and how they just needed to listen to the Word of God in regards to the Gay Marriage issue. I thought that was an interesting statement, like the Bible is so clear on that issue. I think that was an odd way to sort of end the service, especially since there was no scripture read.
I think it is hard for me to go to services where there is a presentation not a message. In stead of a message their was a member of the church that went to Uganda with his work. He basically told things that his work was doing to help the people. I don't know if I can agree that church is a place for this kind of presentation. I kinda felt like my time would be better served staying at home reading. Oh well, thankfully I can go back to St. Ben's this weekend.
One issue I have is that often 'Word' is capitalized. I've been reading Psalms and the authors never capitalize 'Word' only God or Lord. The way people talk about it is that what the Bible says is so straight forward. The more I read the Bible the more complicated it seems and what I was taught during my childhood hints more at a stream of Christianity than being honest with the text.
I am all about respecting the Bible and putting it in a place of authority in our lives, but not if that means thinking the Bible is simply and all about us, which tends to be my experience in evangelical churches.
This past weekend, I was up in Swan River with Trisha and at the end of the service the guy in charge had a little rant about the Anglican church and how they just needed to listen to the Word of God in regards to the Gay Marriage issue. I thought that was an interesting statement, like the Bible is so clear on that issue. I think that was an odd way to sort of end the service, especially since there was no scripture read.
I think it is hard for me to go to services where there is a presentation not a message. In stead of a message their was a member of the church that went to Uganda with his work. He basically told things that his work was doing to help the people. I don't know if I can agree that church is a place for this kind of presentation. I kinda felt like my time would be better served staying at home reading. Oh well, thankfully I can go back to St. Ben's this weekend.
Thursday, June 14, 2007
The wonderful world of Salman Rushdie...
Well the last couple years I have attempted to read a book by Salman Rushdie, but every time I got my hands on a copy life did not present itself with the time. However, recently I got the chance to enjoy Haroun and the Sea of Stories. It was a delight to read, I must admit that I have a hard time getting into fantasy novels, but Rushdie has a way with words that I was engulfed into this fantasy world. I would recommend Rushdie to anyone who enjoys a good storyteller. I can see Rushdie becoming one of my favorite fiction authors as I continue to delve into the world of this wizard of words.
Back into the swing of things....
Well as I look at my blog, I see that a posting is long overdue. Well life is getting back to normal, by the end of next week I will be working again. Life has been crazy with graduating, wedding, and moving. Trisha and I went out furniture shopping today, hopefully within a week our apartment will look normal. I should be blogging more now that life allows me more time to read and put things down on paper. Life is pretty exciting right now with all of life's choices and decision, but I am excited at what the future holds.
Wednesday, May 02, 2007
Something to chew on...
We walk on earth,
we look after,
like rainbow sitting on top.
But something underneath,
under the ground.
We don't know.
You don't know.
What do you want to do?
If you touch,
you might get cyclone, heavy rain or flood.
Not just here,
you might kill someone in another place.
Might be kill him in another country.
You cannot touch him.
from "Gagadju Man" by Big Bill Neidjie (2001)
we look after,
like rainbow sitting on top.
But something underneath,
under the ground.
We don't know.
You don't know.
What do you want to do?
If you touch,
you might get cyclone, heavy rain or flood.
Not just here,
you might kill someone in another place.
Might be kill him in another country.
You cannot touch him.
from "Gagadju Man" by Big Bill Neidjie (2001)
Tuesday, May 01, 2007
A thought on Crossan
My good friend Joey has been raving about John Dominic Crossan this past year, so I decided I'd give him a try. I've been reading Jesus: A revolutionary biography, the book has been ok. I must admit I am a bit disappointed. Mostly that Crossan will make statement that are somewhat provocative, but never reference them. I have found this continually to be irritating, but the book is released in the last couple years, I hope Crossan in his earlier work supports his finding somewhat.
However, I did come across some thought provoking question today, just wanted to share them.
"For Paul, in any case, bodily resurrection is the only way that Jesus' continued presence can be expressed. But I repeat my question: Was that the only way other individuals and groups in earliest Christianity expressed their continuing and unbroken faith in Jesus? The question is not what it is that Paul means, because that is surely clear enough. The question is whether he speaks for all Christians then and thereafter. Is resurrection, so understood, the only way or just one of the ways to express faith in the continuing power and presence of Jesus in the world? My point is not that Paul was wrong but that his emphasis on resurrection was but on way of expressing early Christian faith and should not be taken as normative for all others.
However, I did come across some thought provoking question today, just wanted to share them.
"For Paul, in any case, bodily resurrection is the only way that Jesus' continued presence can be expressed. But I repeat my question: Was that the only way other individuals and groups in earliest Christianity expressed their continuing and unbroken faith in Jesus? The question is not what it is that Paul means, because that is surely clear enough. The question is whether he speaks for all Christians then and thereafter. Is resurrection, so understood, the only way or just one of the ways to express faith in the continuing power and presence of Jesus in the world? My point is not that Paul was wrong but that his emphasis on resurrection was but on way of expressing early Christian faith and should not be taken as normative for all others.
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
Prayer....
The last little while prayer has been on my mind. I think prayer is very interesting. I think for the most part I see as a way to communicate with God. I just wonder if that is all and does this communication have any effect on the world. I believe it can effect our own life, but does it effect God acting in the world. I think my life says not in a direct relationship kind of way. Sometimes when I pray things happen sometimes they don't. Right now I struggle with this you pray this will happen mentality. I do believe prayer gives me comfort and peace. Every night i pray, actually i find it hard to fall asleep without praying. Often i am restless without praying. I have experienced the effect too often to say it has no effect on this world, but to say it has a direct effect is hard. I think prayer is a mystery. I don't really understand how prayer works, but it does maybe just not in the way we think it does.......
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
Tuesday, March 27, 2007
Walking towards the fog
This past weekend I went on a day retreat with St. Benedict's Table. The day was perfect and very poetic. What made the day so poetic is that it was really foggy in the morning. Funny how sometimes driving through this uncertainty towards a day away from the world can be so meaningful. It was a day of reading, walking and great soup. Jamie briefly read from a book that focuses on the difference between a job and our work. I am sure we have all been asked, so what do you do? In of itself this question isn't a problem. The problem is when we define people according to their workplace. I believe people are too complicated to 'know' a person according to their workplace. The fog was especially powerful in that I am entering a period of the unknown. Not really sure what direction my life is taking me, but it is reassuring to know that in the journey I will encounter wonderful people, willing to journey with me.
Why do we care so much about sex....
So I am just wondering why Christians care so much about sex. Maybe sort of an odd title for a blog from someone whose never had sex. I am overwhelmed that many 'mainline' Christian issues revolve around sex or what happens after sex. I recently view a www.godhatesfags.com video and was truly disturbed. All the gays and lesbians I have meet have been loving, friendly, and caring people. I have a hard time calling myself a christian if that requires me to hate people who are genuine and loving people. I wonder what it is that requires a certain reading of the bible that singles out these verses, but ignores the rest of the purity code in Leviticus.
Monday, March 26, 2007
300
I saw the movie '300' recently. I know the movie has a lot of hype. I'd like to say I was thoroughly entertained by the film. Even though it revolves around war, which usually repulses me, I was intrigued by the nature of these warriors. I found it interesting the depiction of selflessness in the movie. I am always in awe of people who give of themselves for the greater good of others. I wish I would do that more often. It is interesting how this vision of selfless love is so profound. As a Christian, I was repulsed by 'The Passion of the Christ' and how this depiction of brutality was meant to reveal my savior. I actually think '3oo' does a better job at showing the selflessness of the cross. Recently, i have thought more about selfless people i have meet over my life. I keep coming back to my experience on the cruise ship. I was blessed to meet so many people that truly gave of themselves to others. I just want to thank Sandy, Kari, Jodi, Clea, Kathy and so many other who embodies a selfless life for me. My life is better because of meeting all of you
Friday, March 16, 2007
Amen & the Kingdom of God
Recently, I view 'Amen' a movie taking place in Nazi Germany. It revolves around a Christian officer in the SS. Who once realizing what is really going on tries with all his might to make the church aware of the atrocities. Sadly, the only one who listen is a jesuit priest. The interesting part of the movie is what happens when the Kingdom of God collides with the rest of life. As I have beening further reading 'Emerging Churches' the idea of kingdom living is constant. A lot of the time I have no idea what kingdom means for these leaders. I've read a lot on how we live in a world that is at odds with the kingdom of God. Derek Webb has a brillant song on his latest CD that delves into this dillema. I think kingdom living is very important, do we realize when the gospel is put in a straighjacket due to cultural norms. I think that is what happened in Nazi Germany. Maybe my question is do we have a confessing church to turn to or has the church assimilated itself so much to culture that this is no longer possible. I think emerging churches realize this conflict more than other churches in my experience. Just a thought....Friday, March 09, 2007
The Conversation series....
Well I would say the conversation series was well worth it. I love music and am continually distancing myself from Christian music. It is interesting why we need Christain music in the first place. Obviously it is not to reach others, because how many people know Christian artists outside the church. A reoccurring theme during the conference was that we are of the world, but not in it. Through Andrew Beaujon and Steve Bell it became apparent that the music industry is corrupt, Christian and 'secular.' Beaujon believes that the Christian music industry exists because of money, I would have to agree with him.
First, i will say a sacred/secular divide segregates life into to false categories. An interesting element is how many bands with Christians in them do not want the 'Christian - Band' label. Beaujon encountered this most significantly with Switchfoot. Jamie Howison made numerous interesting points regarding how prior to 1880 that high culture was almost exclusively Christian. Why do we hold up terrible art such as Kincaids lighthouses when we have great artists who identified themselves as Christians such as Van Gough, particularly late in life. What is it about Christian art that runs away from evaluating art as art. As Flannery O'Connor believes we need to see life through Gospel eyes. Steve Bell recognizes the agenda ridden Christian industry, this is sad how a lot of christian messages are agenda ridden.
One of the most frustrating parts of life is the celebrity culture we live in, unfortunately the Christian music industry does the same thing. We have idols in music that we quite frankly worship these artists, which is a dehumanizing act and anti-art. I think Christian book stores cannot be distinguished from chapters, etc. because the same capitalist mentality exists in both, like Beaujon says its all about money.
A frustrating part that was recognized is how there is one Christianity in media. Bell often asks when someone talks about Christianity, which Christianity they are talking about. Christianity is not a monoculture, how can mother Teressa and George Bush belong to the same community of Faith. It is easy to use shallow/hateful Christians as the example of 'all christian' but this is clearly not always the case.
An interesting point was made that we are oral prudes. Why are we up in arms over certain words, but we allow into our lives movies, TV, and video games that are so graphic that the images stay in our mind. We are more comfortable saying Yahweh than fuck. But, to my knowledge Yahweh was never to said it was too powerful/dangerous. It is interesting to see what words a culture deems as curse usually stem from what is untouchable. In mainstream western culture it is body words, but in french culture it deals with religion as swear words. I found that fascinating.
We often talk about discerning pop-culture, but we also need to discern Christian media. Christian music often sound like a teenager heart throbs songs, which is very 'immature' and we wonder why the church does not have deep people, maybe we should look to our music.
Some lasting phrases:
If you want to stop gay marriage keeping driving your SUV's to church
We should stand for the fullness of life for all not salvation of the few.
First, i will say a sacred/secular divide segregates life into to false categories. An interesting element is how many bands with Christians in them do not want the 'Christian - Band' label. Beaujon encountered this most significantly with Switchfoot. Jamie Howison made numerous interesting points regarding how prior to 1880 that high culture was almost exclusively Christian. Why do we hold up terrible art such as Kincaids lighthouses when we have great artists who identified themselves as Christians such as Van Gough, particularly late in life. What is it about Christian art that runs away from evaluating art as art. As Flannery O'Connor believes we need to see life through Gospel eyes. Steve Bell recognizes the agenda ridden Christian industry, this is sad how a lot of christian messages are agenda ridden.
One of the most frustrating parts of life is the celebrity culture we live in, unfortunately the Christian music industry does the same thing. We have idols in music that we quite frankly worship these artists, which is a dehumanizing act and anti-art. I think Christian book stores cannot be distinguished from chapters, etc. because the same capitalist mentality exists in both, like Beaujon says its all about money.
A frustrating part that was recognized is how there is one Christianity in media. Bell often asks when someone talks about Christianity, which Christianity they are talking about. Christianity is not a monoculture, how can mother Teressa and George Bush belong to the same community of Faith. It is easy to use shallow/hateful Christians as the example of 'all christian' but this is clearly not always the case.
An interesting point was made that we are oral prudes. Why are we up in arms over certain words, but we allow into our lives movies, TV, and video games that are so graphic that the images stay in our mind. We are more comfortable saying Yahweh than fuck. But, to my knowledge Yahweh was never to said it was too powerful/dangerous. It is interesting to see what words a culture deems as curse usually stem from what is untouchable. In mainstream western culture it is body words, but in french culture it deals with religion as swear words. I found that fascinating.
We often talk about discerning pop-culture, but we also need to discern Christian media. Christian music often sound like a teenager heart throbs songs, which is very 'immature' and we wonder why the church does not have deep people, maybe we should look to our music.
Some lasting phrases:
If you want to stop gay marriage keeping driving your SUV's to church
We should stand for the fullness of life for all not salvation of the few.
The Black Jesus....
I tend to enjoy watching movies that portray Jesus. I find it interesting how media portrays Jesus for better or worse I find these portrayals interesting. Recently, I watch 'The Color of the Cross', a movies depicting Jesus as a black man. I would say this movie is interesting, not overly entertaining or even well acted, particularly the Jesus character. Still the movie is interesting if you have any interest in the subject of Jesus / early church. It was cheesy how Jesus spouted well known verses throughout the movie, also interesting how Jesus and the twelve were hiding from the Romans. I think the most interesting part of the movie are the disciples, they are more like Robin Hoods' Band of Merry Men, then Jesus followers. Actually, the disciples make the movie worthwhile. Purely for the dynamics of those men, who really if it had not been for them and early followers of Jesus what would Christianity look like or would there even be a Christianity with these 'twelve' and Paul. An interesting movie nonetheless. Gave a great example of what the New Testament understands as 'family', very worth while if you can get beyond the bad acting, set design, script, etc. Happy viewing.
Life is funny...
I sort of had an interesting experience this week. As my blog indicates I have been having a rough time working at my home church, but my main place of refuge has been St. Benedict's Table. I love St. Ben's. One interesting point about St. Ben's is that a former youth pastor from my home church attends. Shall we say me and this youth pastor did not see eye to eye, actually there was one point where I was almost brought before the Board. I guess that is the closest I have ever come to being ex-communicated from a church. Back to the story, this youth pastor now works at Booth College, which co-sponsored the conference. Till now we have always been polite with each other. However, at the conference we actually talked and it seems like we have a similar view on all things emergent. I guess it teaches me that sometimes things do change. We chatted a couple times and it was really refreshing to hear. Just funny that of all the people who couple of helped me with my struggles at Rowandale, he was the last one I would have guessed. Funny how God does that
Tuesday, March 06, 2007
Another thought on the conversation series
I almost forgot the best line of the night. We had a little 'music roundtable' after the mini-lecture, one of the artists said this:
I was so happy when Bruce Cockburn said Fuck! I'm not kidding, really happy.
Amen
I was so happy when Bruce Cockburn said Fuck! I'm not kidding, really happy.
Amen
The Conversation begins....
Well, Monday evening the conversations series began. It was interesting to hear this guy talking about his experience with Christian Music as an agnostic. The author attended cornerstone, which I did a number of years ago. When he mentioned cornerstone, I was transported to another world. At one point in my life, I was 'into' christian music. I remember those days, but over the last 7 years I have realized that most christian music is bad, both spiritually and emotionally. I find it hard to see integrity and honest in their music. I just wanted to share some interesting thoughts from the first night.
- The author describes as a twelve year old, a girl took him to a bible study of sorts and he encountered Christian music for the first time in the form of Petra, thus securing his agnostic belief forever.
- After Bush won re-election his book got more offers due to the influence evangelicals had on the election.
- All true art is incarnational
- The Christian subculture has reversed Paul' teaching we are not 'in but not of the world' rather 'of but not in the world'. I am finding this a true statement. Christians are off the world, but due to an attempt at segregating ourselves from the 'other' we are safe. Some how the Powers of the world have a grip on our life that we do not even realize.
Well more to come as the conversation continues.....
- The author describes as a twelve year old, a girl took him to a bible study of sorts and he encountered Christian music for the first time in the form of Petra, thus securing his agnostic belief forever.
- After Bush won re-election his book got more offers due to the influence evangelicals had on the election.
- All true art is incarnational
- The Christian subculture has reversed Paul' teaching we are not 'in but not of the world' rather 'of but not in the world'. I am finding this a true statement. Christians are off the world, but due to an attempt at segregating ourselves from the 'other' we are safe. Some how the Powers of the world have a grip on our life that we do not even realize.
Well more to come as the conversation continues.....
Saturday, March 03, 2007
What is your Master Status?
Recently, at Providence College we had a faculty forum to discuss Christian Sexuality. I think the time was very good. The one thing that I am realizing how in talking about sexuality and also with a conversation over homosexuality is that we need to understand our master status. I first encountered this idea of master status through a sermon on sex by Erwin McManus. McManus sees one of interesting parts of the conversations regarding homosexuality is how we talk about using master status. I don't go around introducing myself as Chris the Heterosexual, and I have never meet a gay or lesbian that talks like that, but I am sure that exists. During the forum, Dr. Tim Perry gave a great insight regarding master status that for Christian( gay, straight, bi, etc.) our master status or identity is not found through our sexuality or maybe more precisely who we want to have sex with( also how naive is it to define sexuality through the sex of our sexual partner). Most Christian believe that through baptism we are united with Jesus. I think as we continue to dialogue about homosexuality as it regards to the church, we need to recognize our master status is in Jesus not our sexual behaviour/orientation.
Friday, March 02, 2007
Peter Rollins - Heretical Orthodoxy
Well the last little while I have been writing a bit on idol. This tangent is largely due to Peter Rollins. In "How (Not) to Speak of God" this is a theme. So I thought I'd due some sharing on this book. I will do my best to share my thoughts and beliefs using Rollins.
Well, in the introduction Brian McLaren calls the book one of the best theology books he has read in the past 10 years and Rollins story telling 'compares' to Jesus' parable. I must admit such a claim made me a bit skeptical, but I must say McLaren' praise is very accurate. Rollins slits he small masterpiece into two section the first called Heretical Orthodoxy: From Right Belief to Believing in the Right Way.
I think over the last year with the help of Karl Barth, I believe that God is utterly transcendent. This is one of the premises of Rollins, to remember when we talk about God that we talk about our understanding of God, not God. I think this is sort of of obvious, but I think in discussion this is easily forgotten that we can never talk about attributes of God as they are, because any language can not grasp God. For me a good reminder is intellectual idolatry, often wars or division were started due to understanding of God. I feel how we understand God when designated as divine attributes of God are idols, we can hold to our understanding of God but once we assume our words equal God we are on a slippery slope. I encounter this kind of thinking often in modern evangelism/apologetics. While I am sure these forms of communicating the good news were useful at one point in time, however this time is long over. I am convinced all they are attempting to so is to convert people to a system of beliefs, this is not convincing and not the reason I am still a Christian.
One of the interesting things is how traditional methods of conversion conveyed that after saying a pray one is a christian Rollins believes we should recognize that Christianity involves a process of journeying and becoming. I think this is correct, but also requires many to reevaluate our words. I personally think definitive words create problems for Christians. We talk about what my friend Bryan calls 'Christian Myths' that everything will be better once we say this prayer, i think the prayer is the beginning. Unfortunately like McLaren says evangelical race to the start line of the Christian life. I reject these kind of binary notions of faith. I think it makes things nice and neat, but life is messy.
I think it is funny when people in my class talk about God in a singular view and other ways of God are heretical. I think we all view God, Jesus, and the Bible different due to our social upbringing. Can we recognize that a North American understanding of God will inevitably be different than a South American view, I think this is obvious, but we tend to forget what we bring to life and a text.
I've talked a lot about idol, but what exactly do I mean by this loaded word. "Like aesthetic idol (such as the Golden calf in the book of Exodus), the conceptual idol refers to any system of thought which the individual or community takes to be a visible rendering of God. The only significant difference between the aesthetic idola dn the conceptual idol lies in the fact that the former reduces God to a physical object while the latter reduces God to an intellectual object. Does 'holiness' not have strong connotations of a God who is beyond all finding out.
It is my experience that my understanding of God is constantly changing, consewualty we do not do theology but are rather overcome and transorbed by it: we do not master it but are mastered by it. Augustine encourages us to bear in mind that God transcends all terms and escapes every conceptualization --even that of being beyond conceptualization. I think God is changing my view of everything. Recently in a class my prof said those of us who identify with the emerging movement are being prepped for some work that God has in store for us, I find that reassuring as I am sure many of these thoughts may seem pointless, but for me I need the mystery, answers do not provide my hunger.
Recently, the senior pastor at my church has been talking about how doubts are from the evil one. I wonder what would have happened if Martin Luther that his doubts about church were view as from the evil one. Rollins believes doubts should be understood as a virtue. In contrast to the modern view that religious doubt is something to reject, fear, or merely tolerate, doubt not only can be seen as an inevitable aspect of our humanity but also can be celebrated as a vital part of faith.
One of my big problems with modern expressions of Christianity is apologetics. I must say for many years, I wonder what these people really thought they were accomplishing, but I must say all I think they are attempting is to convince people of a system of beliefs, which is a false assumption. I don't think people follow Jesus because he is convincing, but because encounter the living God not a logical reason, how reasonable is it deny our self and pick up our cross. I think in our postmodern age apologetics is falling away for the much better belief that the community is our apologetics. One of the primary reasons is that apologetics is a form of 'power discourse', which I find to dehumanizing. Rollins talks about 'Iconic God talk', I am a firm believer in this. 'To treat something as an icon is to view particular words, images, or experiences as aids in contemplation of that which cannot be reduced to words, images or experiences. Not only this, but the icon represents place where God touches humanity.' God stands outside our language regimes and cannot be colonized via any power discourse. This emphasis embraces the mystery and complexity of life. Life is not neat , but mysterious and beautiful. 'God is not revealed via our words but rather via the life of the transformed individual', hence community is apologetics.
During postmodernism one of the main idols of modern evangelical Christianity Truth has been attacked. I have often found this debate peculiar, not sure what the need to hold on to this tenet in much an emotional way. Rollins say 'the judeo-christina view of truth is converned with having a relationship with the Real(God) that results in us transforming reality. The emphasis is thus not ondescriptions but on transformation. This perspective completely short-circuits the long-redundant debate as to whether turh is subjective or objective, for here Truth is the ungraspable Real (objective) that transforms the individual (subjective). I don't think Truth can described, but it can be experienced. I know many are weary of 'experience' of God, but i don't know how else to state it I do not conceptualize God, I encounter and experience God when I attend St. Benedict's Table.
'In the Epistle of John, he equates the existence of religious knowledge with the act of love. Knowledge of God (the Truth) as a set of propositions is utterly absent; instrad he claims that those who exhibit a genuine love know God, regardless of their religious system, while those who do not love cannot know God, again regardless of their religious system. Truth is thus understood as a soteriologyical event. This word 'soteriological' is derived from the term soteria, from which we get the word 'salvation'. In precise terms the word refers to a cure, remedy or helaing.' Love is a tricky word, mostly because it has been raped by pop-songs and hallmark cards, that any time one uses this word one is skeptical of the sincerity of the words. But it is obvious that love is central to being a follower of Jesus, so what do we do? I think we need to understand love very broad. During the 80's forms of friendship evangelism emerged as a new way to 'win those for Christ.' The problem with this form of evangelism is that people befriend people of the motive to 'convert' them. This naturally has an agenda, can sacred love have an agenda? I don't think it can when we add a 'should' to love it becomes something other than love. I think any form of evangelical tool is worthless, without growing into being deeper followers of Christ. Maybe it is the easy answers we are after to share our faith, but somehow this isn't possible. One who love all(do not read tolerate all) shows God, by living out our life as Eucharistic people being broken in the world.
I think we can go into the world and be broken, without the need to convince others we are right.
Well, in the introduction Brian McLaren calls the book one of the best theology books he has read in the past 10 years and Rollins story telling 'compares' to Jesus' parable. I must admit such a claim made me a bit skeptical, but I must say McLaren' praise is very accurate. Rollins slits he small masterpiece into two section the first called Heretical Orthodoxy: From Right Belief to Believing in the Right Way.
I think over the last year with the help of Karl Barth, I believe that God is utterly transcendent. This is one of the premises of Rollins, to remember when we talk about God that we talk about our understanding of God, not God. I think this is sort of of obvious, but I think in discussion this is easily forgotten that we can never talk about attributes of God as they are, because any language can not grasp God. For me a good reminder is intellectual idolatry, often wars or division were started due to understanding of God. I feel how we understand God when designated as divine attributes of God are idols, we can hold to our understanding of God but once we assume our words equal God we are on a slippery slope. I encounter this kind of thinking often in modern evangelism/apologetics. While I am sure these forms of communicating the good news were useful at one point in time, however this time is long over. I am convinced all they are attempting to so is to convert people to a system of beliefs, this is not convincing and not the reason I am still a Christian.
One of the interesting things is how traditional methods of conversion conveyed that after saying a pray one is a christian Rollins believes we should recognize that Christianity involves a process of journeying and becoming. I think this is correct, but also requires many to reevaluate our words. I personally think definitive words create problems for Christians. We talk about what my friend Bryan calls 'Christian Myths' that everything will be better once we say this prayer, i think the prayer is the beginning. Unfortunately like McLaren says evangelical race to the start line of the Christian life. I reject these kind of binary notions of faith. I think it makes things nice and neat, but life is messy.
I think it is funny when people in my class talk about God in a singular view and other ways of God are heretical. I think we all view God, Jesus, and the Bible different due to our social upbringing. Can we recognize that a North American understanding of God will inevitably be different than a South American view, I think this is obvious, but we tend to forget what we bring to life and a text.
I've talked a lot about idol, but what exactly do I mean by this loaded word. "Like aesthetic idol (such as the Golden calf in the book of Exodus), the conceptual idol refers to any system of thought which the individual or community takes to be a visible rendering of God. The only significant difference between the aesthetic idola dn the conceptual idol lies in the fact that the former reduces God to a physical object while the latter reduces God to an intellectual object. Does 'holiness' not have strong connotations of a God who is beyond all finding out.
It is my experience that my understanding of God is constantly changing, consewualty we do not do theology but are rather overcome and transorbed by it: we do not master it but are mastered by it. Augustine encourages us to bear in mind that God transcends all terms and escapes every conceptualization --even that of being beyond conceptualization. I think God is changing my view of everything. Recently in a class my prof said those of us who identify with the emerging movement are being prepped for some work that God has in store for us, I find that reassuring as I am sure many of these thoughts may seem pointless, but for me I need the mystery, answers do not provide my hunger.
Recently, the senior pastor at my church has been talking about how doubts are from the evil one. I wonder what would have happened if Martin Luther that his doubts about church were view as from the evil one. Rollins believes doubts should be understood as a virtue. In contrast to the modern view that religious doubt is something to reject, fear, or merely tolerate, doubt not only can be seen as an inevitable aspect of our humanity but also can be celebrated as a vital part of faith.
One of my big problems with modern expressions of Christianity is apologetics. I must say for many years, I wonder what these people really thought they were accomplishing, but I must say all I think they are attempting is to convince people of a system of beliefs, which is a false assumption. I don't think people follow Jesus because he is convincing, but because encounter the living God not a logical reason, how reasonable is it deny our self and pick up our cross. I think in our postmodern age apologetics is falling away for the much better belief that the community is our apologetics. One of the primary reasons is that apologetics is a form of 'power discourse', which I find to dehumanizing. Rollins talks about 'Iconic God talk', I am a firm believer in this. 'To treat something as an icon is to view particular words, images, or experiences as aids in contemplation of that which cannot be reduced to words, images or experiences. Not only this, but the icon represents place where God touches humanity.' God stands outside our language regimes and cannot be colonized via any power discourse. This emphasis embraces the mystery and complexity of life. Life is not neat , but mysterious and beautiful. 'God is not revealed via our words but rather via the life of the transformed individual', hence community is apologetics.
During postmodernism one of the main idols of modern evangelical Christianity Truth has been attacked. I have often found this debate peculiar, not sure what the need to hold on to this tenet in much an emotional way. Rollins say 'the judeo-christina view of truth is converned with having a relationship with the Real(God) that results in us transforming reality. The emphasis is thus not ondescriptions but on transformation. This perspective completely short-circuits the long-redundant debate as to whether turh is subjective or objective, for here Truth is the ungraspable Real (objective) that transforms the individual (subjective). I don't think Truth can described, but it can be experienced. I know many are weary of 'experience' of God, but i don't know how else to state it I do not conceptualize God, I encounter and experience God when I attend St. Benedict's Table.
'In the Epistle of John, he equates the existence of religious knowledge with the act of love. Knowledge of God (the Truth) as a set of propositions is utterly absent; instrad he claims that those who exhibit a genuine love know God, regardless of their religious system, while those who do not love cannot know God, again regardless of their religious system. Truth is thus understood as a soteriologyical event. This word 'soteriological' is derived from the term soteria, from which we get the word 'salvation'. In precise terms the word refers to a cure, remedy or helaing.' Love is a tricky word, mostly because it has been raped by pop-songs and hallmark cards, that any time one uses this word one is skeptical of the sincerity of the words. But it is obvious that love is central to being a follower of Jesus, so what do we do? I think we need to understand love very broad. During the 80's forms of friendship evangelism emerged as a new way to 'win those for Christ.' The problem with this form of evangelism is that people befriend people of the motive to 'convert' them. This naturally has an agenda, can sacred love have an agenda? I don't think it can when we add a 'should' to love it becomes something other than love. I think any form of evangelical tool is worthless, without growing into being deeper followers of Christ. Maybe it is the easy answers we are after to share our faith, but somehow this isn't possible. One who love all(do not read tolerate all) shows God, by living out our life as Eucharistic people being broken in the world.
I think we can go into the world and be broken, without the need to convince others we are right.
Thursday, March 01, 2007
Food for Thought...
Deeper into Lenten territory...
I'm increasingly uncomfortable with current images of God found in books and workshops that mix popular psychology with a theology wholly devoted to self-realization. I really don't want a God who is solicitous of my every need, fawning for my attention, eager for nothing in the world so much as the fulfillment of my self-potential. One of the scourges of our age is that all our deities are house-broken and eminently companionable. In a society that emphasizes the limitless possibilities of the individual self, it comes as a strange freshness to be confronted by an unfathomable God, indifferent to the petty, self-conscious needs that consume us.
Beldon Lane, The Solace of Fierce Landscapes
I'm increasingly uncomfortable with current images of God found in books and workshops that mix popular psychology with a theology wholly devoted to self-realization. I really don't want a God who is solicitous of my every need, fawning for my attention, eager for nothing in the world so much as the fulfillment of my self-potential. One of the scourges of our age is that all our deities are house-broken and eminently companionable. In a society that emphasizes the limitless possibilities of the individual self, it comes as a strange freshness to be confronted by an unfathomable God, indifferent to the petty, self-conscious needs that consume us.
Beldon Lane, The Solace of Fierce Landscapes
Wednesday, February 28, 2007
Tim Keller and Deconstructing Defeater Beliefs
This week in the Emerging generation class we listened to a lecture by Tim Keller. The lectured was title 'Supremacy of Christ and the Gospel in the Postmodern World' it was a thought provoking. I liked how Keller acknowledges that traditional evangelism and apologetics are utterly useless anymore. I was a bit surprised by this but it was nice to hear an 'older' person state this particularly with having Franklin Graham giving a traditional evangelistic speech. Keller also is a firm believer of process of conversion, which speaks against the traditional evangelism. I also appreciated that Keller acknowledges past abuses of Christians. The latter portion of Keller revolves around that many people will not accept a gospel message for the simple reason of 'implausibility structure.'
The theory that Keller calls propositional apologetics revolves around looking at a persons worldview and deconstructing false notions within their worldview. Keller states in an article "Many books on reaching post-moderns today give the impression that people now need virtually no arguments at all. The 'apologetic' is a loving community.' While I tend to disagree with Keller that this form of apologetics is better than a loving community, but nonetheless intriguing.
Keller did a survey of non-Christians under 25 in NY and concluded that six primary 'defeater beliefs' exist and till these are engaged that any christian message will be ignored.
The six defeater beliefs are:
1. The other religions
2. Evil and suffering
3. The ethical straitjacket
4. The record of Christians
5. The angry God
6. The unreliable Bible
I would say that these are fairly accurate. Some of his answers are quite adequate, some I feel Keller grossly underestimates the situation. One of the huge problems I see is #4. I think in order to move forward to deeper Christianity, which Keller sees as the solution. While I do agree this is the case, but I think the standard communication of the Christians render this point to a problematic step. In my experience particularly among young adults, Christianity is about going to heaven, so to have a deeper Christianity doesn't make sense due to the over emphasis on sinners prayer as the 'finish line' of faith. I actually would say that some of these defeater beliefs, I actually agree with and are part of the reason i struggle with the church.
Either way I found the lecture thought provoking, but I don't know if postmodern apologetics is any better on paper than classical apologetics. However, I sense that seeing this task done in person might convince me more. The other problem of this post-modern apologetics is that often in Christianity people are told that evangelism is one of the central activities of Christians. This method is very intellectual, which if evangelism is an activity we all participate in, if this method is graspable by an entire congregation.
The theory that Keller calls propositional apologetics revolves around looking at a persons worldview and deconstructing false notions within their worldview. Keller states in an article "Many books on reaching post-moderns today give the impression that people now need virtually no arguments at all. The 'apologetic' is a loving community.' While I tend to disagree with Keller that this form of apologetics is better than a loving community, but nonetheless intriguing.
Keller did a survey of non-Christians under 25 in NY and concluded that six primary 'defeater beliefs' exist and till these are engaged that any christian message will be ignored.
The six defeater beliefs are:
1. The other religions
2. Evil and suffering
3. The ethical straitjacket
4. The record of Christians
5. The angry God
6. The unreliable Bible
I would say that these are fairly accurate. Some of his answers are quite adequate, some I feel Keller grossly underestimates the situation. One of the huge problems I see is #4. I think in order to move forward to deeper Christianity, which Keller sees as the solution. While I do agree this is the case, but I think the standard communication of the Christians render this point to a problematic step. In my experience particularly among young adults, Christianity is about going to heaven, so to have a deeper Christianity doesn't make sense due to the over emphasis on sinners prayer as the 'finish line' of faith. I actually would say that some of these defeater beliefs, I actually agree with and are part of the reason i struggle with the church.
Either way I found the lecture thought provoking, but I don't know if postmodern apologetics is any better on paper than classical apologetics. However, I sense that seeing this task done in person might convince me more. The other problem of this post-modern apologetics is that often in Christianity people are told that evangelism is one of the central activities of Christians. This method is very intellectual, which if evangelism is an activity we all participate in, if this method is graspable by an entire congregation.
Is God in every religion?
I think due to the pluralistic nature of western culture, this is an dilemma. Naturally this questions many of the tenets of American Evangelical Christianity. Many of the exclusive claims within Christianity are being questions due to many finding many similarities between the various religions. I think this is a positive trend, but also requires a person to know their own religion better.
Recently, I listen to "Finding our God in the Other" a sermon by Samir Selmanovic(http://samirselmanovic.typepad.com/). Selmanovic is a pastor in Manhattan, he grew up Muslim became an Atheist and now is a Christian pastor. That in itself is profound. At times I wonder where I would be if I didn't grow up in a Christian family. Selmanovic proses an interesting question, in Acts 17, Paul is in Athens. Where people are worshiping an unknown God and Paul proceeds to show them they are worshiping the God of Israel. This is a unique take on the passage, but i don't think it is bad hermeneutics. Selmanovic delves into whether we can acknowledge good in other religions. If we can not this naturally is a problem, I have meet many people of other faiths that are wonderful people, can we be better followers of God by seeing good in other religions. I tend to think so. The problem is whether Christianity can become an idol. Many of the Christian doctrines or tenets are not about preaching the resurrection of Christ, but have to do with cultural accepted forms within the church.
I think Christians are guilt for many abuses, as every religion is, but I think those serious about living faithful to God , need other religious communities to hold us in check. The problem I have encountered is that we as Christians do not admit to those abuses. I have little knowledge about other religions, but I know Christianity is based on repentance and forgiveness. In that theme let us ask forgiveness from all the people Christians have demonized and hurt over the years.
If any of you are interesting the sermon it is the Emergent Podcast from February 11/07
Recently, I listen to "Finding our God in the Other" a sermon by Samir Selmanovic(http://samirselmanovic.typepad.com/). Selmanovic is a pastor in Manhattan, he grew up Muslim became an Atheist and now is a Christian pastor. That in itself is profound. At times I wonder where I would be if I didn't grow up in a Christian family. Selmanovic proses an interesting question, in Acts 17, Paul is in Athens. Where people are worshiping an unknown God and Paul proceeds to show them they are worshiping the God of Israel. This is a unique take on the passage, but i don't think it is bad hermeneutics. Selmanovic delves into whether we can acknowledge good in other religions. If we can not this naturally is a problem, I have meet many people of other faiths that are wonderful people, can we be better followers of God by seeing good in other religions. I tend to think so. The problem is whether Christianity can become an idol. Many of the Christian doctrines or tenets are not about preaching the resurrection of Christ, but have to do with cultural accepted forms within the church.
I think Christians are guilt for many abuses, as every religion is, but I think those serious about living faithful to God , need other religious communities to hold us in check. The problem I have encountered is that we as Christians do not admit to those abuses. I have little knowledge about other religions, but I know Christianity is based on repentance and forgiveness. In that theme let us ask forgiveness from all the people Christians have demonized and hurt over the years.
If any of you are interesting the sermon it is the Emergent Podcast from February 11/07
I love music
I must say that i have quite an affinity for music. Every since my high school years I have enjoyed music that crossed many genres. Over the past two years I have been exposed to the wonderful world of indie and folk music. I truly enjoy these genres. Recently, I have noticed how this music is becoming the norm in my ipod. Just thought I'd share a few of the artists that I have discovered.
Bright Eyes: Often compared to a young Bob Dylan. Of all the indie artists I have discovered Bright Eyes is by far the best. His best album in my estimation is I'm Awake, its Morning.
Broken Social Scene: Is a great compilation of many different artists. Very unique, but are becoming well known. They won best alternative album at last years Juno. 'You forgot it in the people' is a gem of an album. Very easy listening, good for a long drive.
Stars: Is a indie-pop band that sprung forth from Broken Social Scene. Very melodic and light. They have great songs about life and relationships.
Amy Millan: Is the lead singer from Stars. She has a beautiful voice, a very folky feel.
The Decemberists: This band is very unique much on the line with Broken Social Scene, very mellow. I find this band very 'intellectual'. I find their early work to be Superior to their newer releases, "Her Majesty, The Decemberists" is my favorite CD.
Derek Webb: I first encountered Webb with Caedmon Call, but his solo projects really speak to me. Particularly the problem of nationalism with in western Christianity. Also with being the only Christian artist I really connect with speaks to the significance of his music.
The Mountain Goats: I am not sure what i like about there mellow tone, but in the last couple weeks they are constantly played during my blogging/reading time.
Neko Case: Is a folk goddess. I don't use that word often, but its hard to describe her any other way. Her latest release 'Fox confessor brings the flood' is great through and through.
As well this year I found the music of Snow Patrol and The Frays, but I expect many of you are familiar with those house hold names.
Bright Eyes: Often compared to a young Bob Dylan. Of all the indie artists I have discovered Bright Eyes is by far the best. His best album in my estimation is I'm Awake, its Morning.
Broken Social Scene: Is a great compilation of many different artists. Very unique, but are becoming well known. They won best alternative album at last years Juno. 'You forgot it in the people' is a gem of an album. Very easy listening, good for a long drive.
Stars: Is a indie-pop band that sprung forth from Broken Social Scene. Very melodic and light. They have great songs about life and relationships.
Amy Millan: Is the lead singer from Stars. She has a beautiful voice, a very folky feel.
The Decemberists: This band is very unique much on the line with Broken Social Scene, very mellow. I find this band very 'intellectual'. I find their early work to be Superior to their newer releases, "Her Majesty, The Decemberists" is my favorite CD.
Derek Webb: I first encountered Webb with Caedmon Call, but his solo projects really speak to me. Particularly the problem of nationalism with in western Christianity. Also with being the only Christian artist I really connect with speaks to the significance of his music.
The Mountain Goats: I am not sure what i like about there mellow tone, but in the last couple weeks they are constantly played during my blogging/reading time.
Neko Case: Is a folk goddess. I don't use that word often, but its hard to describe her any other way. Her latest release 'Fox confessor brings the flood' is great through and through.
As well this year I found the music of Snow Patrol and The Frays, but I expect many of you are familiar with those house hold names.
Wednesday, February 14, 2007
The ugly side of the emerging church...
A couple weeks ago I posted about how my home church is very draining for me. This is mostly due to theological disagreement and also due to its modern leaning. In reading 'Emerging Churches', I am encountering a negative side of the emerging church that gives me hope. By no means is emerging 'saintly' in their description of the modern church. Actually I am coming to the point where many emerging leaders need to repent of their description of a modern church. Brad Cecil calls that once he was 'enlightened' he could no long go back to a modern church, many in the book refer to the modern church as being dead and meaningless. I don't think that is entirely true across North America. I think there is place for the modern church, not that everything they have done over the last 20-30 years in vain. Many people, twentysomes included, find the modern church a source of hope. The problem is that many do not find hope in a modern expression of church. Due to this lack of hope of church, new churches need to emerge without writing off 'older' churches. I agree with the sentiment that I could not be satisfied in a modern church, but that does not mean it is dead for everyone.
Sunday, February 11, 2007
'Our' God as idol.
I think whenever someone mentions idol, I think of worshiping something other than God. I am realizing while this is an idol, do we worship our understanding of God. Do we believe we really got it all figured out. Is anyone capable of figuring God out? I think our minds will never grasp God fully, due to God's otherness. Not that this means we stop talking about God, but that we stop talking about God in way that we've got it all figured out. Are we not involved in idol worship when we stubbornly view our understanding of God as right.
Maybe this would be a good time for repentance of our iconic view of God.
'Lord, we offer up our images of you, acknowledging that while they are important, you stand over and above all our understanding. In love and faithfulness we offer you these fragments as we recognize the poverty of our understanding before the wealth of your presence. Amen.'(taken from "How (Not) To Speak Of God)
Maybe this would be a good time for repentance of our iconic view of God.
'Lord, we offer up our images of you, acknowledging that while they are important, you stand over and above all our understanding. In love and faithfulness we offer you these fragments as we recognize the poverty of our understanding before the wealth of your presence. Amen.'(taken from "How (Not) To Speak Of God)
Saturday, February 10, 2007
Books I am mulling over....
It's weird to think that most of my assignments are done already. It's only mid-february and I only have a 5-pager left. On the plus side to this I am able to dive back into book reading. Last semester my reading was a bit scarce due to the internship and class. I am pretty pumped at the prospect of reading books for fun again. Here are a couple I am working through:
How (Not) To Speak Of God by Peter Rollins
Emerging Churches by Eddie Gibbs
Gilead by Marilynne Robinson
The Gottingen Dogmatics by Karl Barth
Jesus and the Victory of God by N.T. Wright
I am finding these books to be a great influence in rethinking church, espeically Emerging Churches because it is a class text.
Happy Reading
How (Not) To Speak Of God by Peter Rollins
Emerging Churches by Eddie Gibbs
Gilead by Marilynne Robinson
The Gottingen Dogmatics by Karl Barth
Jesus and the Victory of God by N.T. Wright
I am finding these books to be a great influence in rethinking church, espeically Emerging Churches because it is a class text.
Happy Reading
Words of Wisdom
Did not the Lord share the table of tax collectors and harlots? So then - do not distinguish between the worthy and the unworthy. All must be equal in your eyes to love and to serve.
Friday, February 09, 2007
A great Colbert Report
Well as many of you know I am huge Stephen Colbert fan. The February 8th installment was great. The guest on the show was Chris Hedges. Hedges is the author of "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America", I am intrigued by his ideas. Well if you are interested in these kind of things check it out. I want to leave you with one quote from Hedges, "Augustine said hope had two children anger and courage." I liked that....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feebdxbUhkY
http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/
Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feebdxbUhkY
http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/
Enjoy
Thursday, February 08, 2007
Scary Christians
This past week I watched the "Jesus Camp." Ever since i saw the trailers this summer i was intrigued. In general, i was scared at this version of Christianity. I think the ties were too close to a political/military American Christianity. I guess when the trailer opens with the pastor talking about the enemy(referring to Islam), but i wanted to check it out anyways.
The movie is about a charismatic summer camp in North Dakota. Maybe its due to my unfamiliarity with the charismatic church, but the whole idea made me uncomfortable.
Well at times it was funny. In one scene this 8 year old girl talks about dead and alive churches. She basically says any church where people sit calmly are dead(so any Baptist, Mennonite church). God 'likes' churches where people are pumping up and down. So basically the bad church are not inviting God into church. I thought that was funny/sad.
Well check it out if you get a chance.
The movie is about a charismatic summer camp in North Dakota. Maybe its due to my unfamiliarity with the charismatic church, but the whole idea made me uncomfortable.
Well at times it was funny. In one scene this 8 year old girl talks about dead and alive churches. She basically says any church where people sit calmly are dead(so any Baptist, Mennonite church). God 'likes' churches where people are pumping up and down. So basically the bad church are not inviting God into church. I thought that was funny/sad.
Well check it out if you get a chance.
Wednesday, February 07, 2007
Homosexuality....
A close friend of mine has been having some really good discussion on homosexuality. I think ever since attending at prov this question has been going around my mind. Some conclusion that I have come to:
1. The gay gene hypothesis is not conclusive.
2. Many studies have shown that those who live homosexually are at a greater risk for various diseases or conditions.
3. The church misunderstands the few passages speaking on homosexuality.
4. We really don't understand definitively why people decide on a homosexual relationships.
5. Many people actually leave a gay lifestyle with the help of counselling.
6. The church generally has a hateful attitude towards gays and lesbians.
7. One of Jesus' goals was to deconstruct the purity code of the Pharisees.
8. Often the church resembles the Pharisees on the 'gay issue.'
It is hard to understand the hatred towards gays and lesbians. While, working on the cruise ship I experienced genuine concern and love from gays and lesbians. I think this is hard to come to grasp with how the church wants to portray gays and lesbians as 'weird.' No matter the amount any one is fallen, they are still in relationship with God. God created human as good. This cannot be taken away, creation is first and foremost 'Good'.
My conclusion over thinking about a response to homosexuality is do our best to the way of Jesus is to embrace any and all interested in searching after God in a community of faith. This naturally includes many excluded by the church, not just gays and lesbians. If we believe church is to be transformative communities, I believe we need to change things, and not maintain the status quo of church membership.
1. The gay gene hypothesis is not conclusive.
2. Many studies have shown that those who live homosexually are at a greater risk for various diseases or conditions.
3. The church misunderstands the few passages speaking on homosexuality.
4. We really don't understand definitively why people decide on a homosexual relationships.
5. Many people actually leave a gay lifestyle with the help of counselling.
6. The church generally has a hateful attitude towards gays and lesbians.
7. One of Jesus' goals was to deconstruct the purity code of the Pharisees.
8. Often the church resembles the Pharisees on the 'gay issue.'
It is hard to understand the hatred towards gays and lesbians. While, working on the cruise ship I experienced genuine concern and love from gays and lesbians. I think this is hard to come to grasp with how the church wants to portray gays and lesbians as 'weird.' No matter the amount any one is fallen, they are still in relationship with God. God created human as good. This cannot be taken away, creation is first and foremost 'Good'.
My conclusion over thinking about a response to homosexuality is do our best to the way of Jesus is to embrace any and all interested in searching after God in a community of faith. This naturally includes many excluded by the church, not just gays and lesbians. If we believe church is to be transformative communities, I believe we need to change things, and not maintain the status quo of church membership.
there is no truth.....
So today in my 'Ministry with the Emerging Generation' class, i had a group presentation using a form of media to discuss spritualailty. We choose a Bright Eyes song. I have been a huge fan of Bright Eyes, since March 2005...i think he is brillant.
Back to the class, the song we used questions life and particularly church. I think the church often make a lot of 'truth statements.' I am sure some think this is vital for the church to do. However, we live in a time when there is no one version of Christianity. We have too many denominations to count. Further for more, I believe that relgions will be evaluated on what they do not what they say. Words are nice, but faith without works is dead. Truth capital "T" does not make one faith or another true.
We live in a pluralistic age, where relgions appear to have less in common then we'd like to make a clear distiction over the 'keepers of truth.' The 'Daily Show' had a hilarious skti a while back where they debated Islam vs. Christianty. Each side would say the same thing about truth statements, where they would use their own texts to prove their relgion to be true. It's funny because of how many arugment have a heard that went 'God is true, because the bible says so and the bible is true because God says so'. Funny to write it out, but so many people argue religons from this point of view.
I think I am still a christian because i have encoutnered God throughout mylife, not because someone says this or that about God.
Back to the class, the song we used questions life and particularly church. I think the church often make a lot of 'truth statements.' I am sure some think this is vital for the church to do. However, we live in a time when there is no one version of Christianity. We have too many denominations to count. Further for more, I believe that relgions will be evaluated on what they do not what they say. Words are nice, but faith without works is dead. Truth capital "T" does not make one faith or another true.
We live in a pluralistic age, where relgions appear to have less in common then we'd like to make a clear distiction over the 'keepers of truth.' The 'Daily Show' had a hilarious skti a while back where they debated Islam vs. Christianty. Each side would say the same thing about truth statements, where they would use their own texts to prove their relgion to be true. It's funny because of how many arugment have a heard that went 'God is true, because the bible says so and the bible is true because God says so'. Funny to write it out, but so many people argue religons from this point of view.
I think I am still a christian because i have encoutnered God throughout mylife, not because someone says this or that about God.
I'm pretty pumped!!!
So I recently found out about The Conversation Series on the Intersection of Faith and Culture taking place @ Booth College. The conversation series is an activity of St. Benedict's Table. This one will be in dialogue with Andrew Beaujon(author of Body Piercing Saved My Life: inside the phenomenon of Christian rock) It should be very interesting. This semester, I've been diving deeper into those issue of faith and culture. I don't believe we escape to church or our faith is an escape from the messiness of life. I just found out that the conference is on during my reading week, so i am pumped. Should be an interesting experience.
Good Christian Music.
Well for much of my life I've thought 'good christian music' was a joke of sorts. I have been exposed to so much crappy Christians music, sad really. A week ago, I bought music from St. Benedict's Table. I must say it is amazing, its been playing nonestop since i got it. For those interested check out http://www.stbenedictstable.ca/ for some info. If anyone would like me to pick you up a copy, let me know the cost is $15. Happy listening.
Wednesday, January 31, 2007
What is church?
This thought has been brewing in mind for the last couple years. What exactly is church. What is the function, purpose, goal, etc. This past week I have been reading Emerging Churches. In the appendix it has 50 stories of emerging leaders. The interesting thing about all the leaders is how they felt alienated by the church or came to a crisis. This required a rethinking of church.
I resonate a lot with the vision given by these leaders. But, this naturally brings me to a question what is church here for. Too often, I have heard that your life will be better if you are with a church. However, the sad fact is that in church I feel I encounter people who wear masks, but when I am outside the church I meet honesty and authentic people. I find this odd. What is it about the church that requires being fake. Many of these churches sprung up merely by a couple people connecting, because they are asking many of the same questions. What happened to the church. Often, the church is an organization like a business. This is a terrible fact. Have we given away the church to capitalism? Is church a product we sell? Like a salesmen trying to trick someone into a product and its benefits?
Church is a passion in my life, but also a cause for pain and frustration. Why is that the most authentic people i know do not feel at home at church. Why is working on a cruise ship, known for its hedonism, has a more authentic community than many churches. This is sad. Most of the beautiful people from the ship, would not be accepted at church due to not abiding to the 'rules' of church.
One thing that I am wondering, can the church be the church with 200 members? I am growing in my skepticism. Can we be authentic with so many people, while small groups do work, they seem forced. Like we need to get along and share stuff because we are Christians.
I have often wondered, this year every since i started attending St. Benedict's Table (http://www.stbenedictstable.ca/). The most revealing things i have realized this year is that i feel more at home at a church where i have no real relationship with anyone there than i do at a church I've attended for almost 12 years. Not that I don't have friends, which i cherish. Rather, I get a sense that whatever St. Benedict's has or their ethos that is what church is meant to be. Broken people running to God, living life together, answering questions, not hiding living life together. When did church become an institution that one can no longer be honest and real.
Well that is a bit of a rant, sorry. Maybe it is because church is so important to myself that it is frustrating to see it selling out.
I resonate a lot with the vision given by these leaders. But, this naturally brings me to a question what is church here for. Too often, I have heard that your life will be better if you are with a church. However, the sad fact is that in church I feel I encounter people who wear masks, but when I am outside the church I meet honesty and authentic people. I find this odd. What is it about the church that requires being fake. Many of these churches sprung up merely by a couple people connecting, because they are asking many of the same questions. What happened to the church. Often, the church is an organization like a business. This is a terrible fact. Have we given away the church to capitalism? Is church a product we sell? Like a salesmen trying to trick someone into a product and its benefits?
Church is a passion in my life, but also a cause for pain and frustration. Why is that the most authentic people i know do not feel at home at church. Why is working on a cruise ship, known for its hedonism, has a more authentic community than many churches. This is sad. Most of the beautiful people from the ship, would not be accepted at church due to not abiding to the 'rules' of church.
One thing that I am wondering, can the church be the church with 200 members? I am growing in my skepticism. Can we be authentic with so many people, while small groups do work, they seem forced. Like we need to get along and share stuff because we are Christians.
I have often wondered, this year every since i started attending St. Benedict's Table (http://www.stbenedictstable.ca/). The most revealing things i have realized this year is that i feel more at home at a church where i have no real relationship with anyone there than i do at a church I've attended for almost 12 years. Not that I don't have friends, which i cherish. Rather, I get a sense that whatever St. Benedict's has or their ethos that is what church is meant to be. Broken people running to God, living life together, answering questions, not hiding living life together. When did church become an institution that one can no longer be honest and real.
Well that is a bit of a rant, sorry. Maybe it is because church is so important to myself that it is frustrating to see it selling out.
Saturday, January 27, 2007
First Session....
Well i went to my first counselling session Friday afternoon. I think it went well it was more a get to know you ..why are you here? stuff like that. I am hopeful to see how i will be able to have a place to talk things through with my counsellor...well hope everyone is having a good week...
Friday, January 26, 2007
Pagitt on Creeds
Well I just listened to Doug Pagitt's podcast. The topic was basically a 3-4 minute rant on creeds. More specifically on what creeds are: They are not summation of Christian faith..creeds are understanding within a certain contextual context.
I think that is one of the better understanding of creeds that i have come across.
I think that is one of the better understanding of creeds that i have come across.
Children of Men
In the last couple years I have lost hope in finding great movies. I am typically disappointed with movies or maybe my standards have been on a decline over the years. However, recently I heard about Children of Men. I am not a Sci-fi fan, but the premise of a world that has become mysteriously infertile. I found the movie to be very creative, which is very rare in this age. The movie took a interesting look at 'political activist' that becomes a form of terrorism. The scene that continually runs through my head is when the main characters attempt to escape a battle scene between the army and political activist while holding a baby. What is profound of this scene is that when each group encounters the baby(hope) they stand in awe, but as soon as the baby passes them they have this gut reaction to continue killing. I found this scene very truthful. That the reason people are fighting is often forgotten( or unknown). If you've got a chance check it out, trust me you won't be disappointed.
Tuesday, January 23, 2007
Who is Peter Rollins?
Well as those close to me know I am a pretty big Brian McLaren fan. However, McLaren has gotten so popular that he gives recommendations/forewords to many books. This has made it hard to distinguish between the good and ordinary books. A little while back my good friend Joey(http://www.joeyroyal.blogspot.com)mentioned that many in the Emergent friendship were raving about 'How (Not) to speak of God' by Peter Rollins. So i figured I'd check it out. In reading the foreword by McLaren, I am amazed at the praise McLaren gives. McLaren states, "I would say this is one of the two or three most rewarding books of theology I have read in ten years." So needless to say McLaren is becoming a huge fan of Rollins. McLaren takes it further "Peter's effective and creative use of parables comes as an added surprise, evoking the practice of a communicator who, many of us believe, spike of god as no other person ever has, to such a degree that he himself was named the Word made flesh." So, Rollins tells stories like Jesus. That is a bit hard to take. But, after reading Rollins introduction I am very excited to see what I am in store.
Here are some of the gems from the introduction.
"they balked at the presumption of those who would seek to colonize the name 'God' with concepts."
"they(Christian mystics) wrote elegantly concerning the limits of writing and spoke eloquently about the brutality of words."
"the Word of God has mystery built into its very heart."
"Against the idea that we can speak of God I argue that we must embrace an a/theological approach that acknowledges the extent to which our supposed God-talk fails to define who or what God is."
Well that is just a taste...happy reading.
Here are some of the gems from the introduction.
"they balked at the presumption of those who would seek to colonize the name 'God' with concepts."
"they(Christian mystics) wrote elegantly concerning the limits of writing and spoke eloquently about the brutality of words."
"the Word of God has mystery built into its very heart."
"Against the idea that we can speak of God I argue that we must embrace an a/theological approach that acknowledges the extent to which our supposed God-talk fails to define who or what God is."
Well that is just a taste...happy reading.
Thursday, January 18, 2007
An Interesting week.....
Well, it has been a hard start to the semester. I think good for the long run, but hard in the short term. Hard to be in right now. Well how do i start...Well I got back from Korea pretty sick and drained. Not the way one should start a semester. Maybe i have been running from stuff going on in my life. Well, I think my journey to do this youth stuff has been a long one. I think i've had a lot of questions regarding leadership and teaching gifts. I think these questions have been abound since i've come to Prov. So i've been rethinking lots. It hasn't been a fun week. I've been struggling with being very heavy and even somewhat depressed about my situation. I think i am in a better place right now, but i still have issues with where my life is going.
I think i get down a lot about my weakness in ministry and also a lot of weaknesses in regards to my social skills in the public space. I think a lot of these questions have led me to aknowledge that unless i change as a person I won't work in a church in the role of youth pastor. i think a lot of questions about having a passion, but not having the gifts to work in the church. So I am questioning a lot of things...which i think is fine, but it is hard working in a church and coming to these realizations.
So i am doing my best to make my semester as good possible. So, next friday I am beginning to go to counselling to work out these problems i am having. well that is my life in a nutshell. Not so fun, but I feel God is in this process. I find that God is the source i rely on more, reading my Bible gives me hope and peace. Just some thoughts on the journey. I am still finding that it is hard to work a lot on my days off.
well hope your life is filled with a little less stress then mine...all the best
I think i get down a lot about my weakness in ministry and also a lot of weaknesses in regards to my social skills in the public space. I think a lot of these questions have led me to aknowledge that unless i change as a person I won't work in a church in the role of youth pastor. i think a lot of questions about having a passion, but not having the gifts to work in the church. So I am questioning a lot of things...which i think is fine, but it is hard working in a church and coming to these realizations.
So i am doing my best to make my semester as good possible. So, next friday I am beginning to go to counselling to work out these problems i am having. well that is my life in a nutshell. Not so fun, but I feel God is in this process. I find that God is the source i rely on more, reading my Bible gives me hope and peace. Just some thoughts on the journey. I am still finding that it is hard to work a lot on my days off.
well hope your life is filled with a little less stress then mine...all the best
Thursday, January 11, 2007
A further thought on redemptive stories....
As I've been working through the idea of being involved in redemptive stories, i find that these stories are hard to hear. I think that is because they sound similar to the kingdom of God. A kingdom that for the most part is foreign to our world. So when we hear these stories we do not recognize them for what they are: Redemptive stories. Sort of till we tune our ears to this different world we will not hear God in these stories.
I wonder if we are not all or have the opportunity to be involved in redemptive stories. I think we all have the opportunity to be involved in the kingdom of God on earth. Often when i listen to Rob Bell, i feel that Mars Hill Bible Church is focused on being involved in redemptive stories in their community. It is truly beautiful the vision of this church.
Just a further explanation of redemptive stories...
I wonder if we are not all or have the opportunity to be involved in redemptive stories. I think we all have the opportunity to be involved in the kingdom of God on earth. Often when i listen to Rob Bell, i feel that Mars Hill Bible Church is focused on being involved in redemptive stories in their community. It is truly beautiful the vision of this church.
Just a further explanation of redemptive stories...
Just when you thought it couldn't get worse....
Well, when i heard that George Bush had called a news conference to describe a new strategy for Iraq, I was hopeful. Finding out his plan, I now realize that my hope was very naive. I am saddened by his response, not surprised but saddened. Jim Wallis(http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/godspolitics/) does an excellent job in summarizes why people around the world should be scared of Bush. Bush exemplifies a belief in redemptive violence. Very sad day. All I really can do is pray for the situation..I am at a loss for words in my fear of this 'just war'.
Wednesday, January 10, 2007
What's in a name....
So the last little while I have been watching some football movies. I must admit I have a weakness for football movies, mostly due to my high school football days. Maybe it is a form of reliving my past. Anyways the theme i find in these movies is what i am called 'redemptive stories.' Not sure if that is a phrase, but in post-modern/emergent fashion one is able to simply make up words.
In watching these movies(Gridiron Gang, Invincible, and We are Marshall) I am constantly brought to tears, which seems a bit messed up since they are fairly cheesy and the acting is not great by any stretch of the imagination. But I think redemptive stories are at the core of these movies...and to add to that is that my blog is called 'Another World is Possible.' This phrase I became aware of in reading The Irresistible Revolution by Shane Claiborne, which is basically a testimony of Claiborne. The phrase 'another world is possible' comes from a project Claiborne is involved of exposing some of the justice issues in the world such as war, poverty, etc. I think what this phrase has grown to mean to me is stories that show a redemptive power in this world. I by no means believe these redemptive stories are only for the church. I find the Holy Spirit is at work in many ways in this world and many of those place are beyond the walls of the church. I imagine some would be uncomfortable with this idea, but I feel this is glaringly true in our age. Or maybe there are redemptive stories taking place, like those stories we find of Jesus redeeming people, in place that do not fit into the categories of agendas of the church.
Brian McLaren touches on what I mean by redemptive stories in his story of what it means to be a worker for the kingdom of God. In The Secret Message of Jesus, McLaren talks about a taxi driver that is not your normal taxi driver but a taxi driver with a kingdom purpose. I find forms of redemption are in these stories. In the Old Testament I get the sense of a cycle of people calling/crying to God and God responding. I wonder if God would limit a working to the people of God who are crying or finding a creative way to make the world better or shall i say find a way to redeem a broken people.
I think in the story of Invincible the city of Philadelphia is redeemed,given hope in a time of despair when many people were on strike and losing their livelihoods. These people are given hope when one of their native sons joins the team and gives the people hope. While that might seem like a stretch of a 'redemptive story.' I would suggest that possible our idea of redemption has been put in a straight jacket by the North American Church. The redemption is something to do with sin. Well i find this having to do with social sins or as Walter Wink calls them The Powers That Be. The city is involved in a sin of capitalism of dehumanizing the people working at plants arguing over money. But I think the movie Gridiron Gangs reveals a stronger story of redemption in the lives of people.
Gridiron gangs is about social workers working at a youth detention centre realizing that their method are not really reforming the youth since almost all the youth leave the detention and fall back into their lifestyle that brought them to the detention hall. The social workers feel that maybe forming a football team would give them a better chance to reform and teach these youth that seem to be caught in this cyclical life of living in poverty leading to crime leading to prison and thus leaving their kids to a life of poverty and so forth. This team by the end of the movie have learnt to live for something better. People who were forever called 'losers' are given a chance to be something different. This chance that i sense a lot of us feel is a right in a 'democratic' country, but is lost due to the life sucking force of poverty. These youth are transformed and 75% of the youth actually go onto a higher education or some kind of part of society. I find that these stories of youth brokenness being restored or given hope in a life of despair. If that isn't redemption...then i don't know what redemption is.....
I think while I watch these movies on a plane recently...I wondered if the glaring truth of these stories were not ordinary people acting extraordinarily. I know that may sound like a form of romanticizing on my part. While, I acknowledge truth in this statement I think the deeper thing is that Jesus is involved in giving people another way of doing things. Anyways it is late and i am drained...but God is good and faithful. Amen!
In watching these movies(Gridiron Gang, Invincible, and We are Marshall) I am constantly brought to tears, which seems a bit messed up since they are fairly cheesy and the acting is not great by any stretch of the imagination. But I think redemptive stories are at the core of these movies...and to add to that is that my blog is called 'Another World is Possible.' This phrase I became aware of in reading The Irresistible Revolution by Shane Claiborne, which is basically a testimony of Claiborne. The phrase 'another world is possible' comes from a project Claiborne is involved of exposing some of the justice issues in the world such as war, poverty, etc. I think what this phrase has grown to mean to me is stories that show a redemptive power in this world. I by no means believe these redemptive stories are only for the church. I find the Holy Spirit is at work in many ways in this world and many of those place are beyond the walls of the church. I imagine some would be uncomfortable with this idea, but I feel this is glaringly true in our age. Or maybe there are redemptive stories taking place, like those stories we find of Jesus redeeming people, in place that do not fit into the categories of agendas of the church.
Brian McLaren touches on what I mean by redemptive stories in his story of what it means to be a worker for the kingdom of God. In The Secret Message of Jesus, McLaren talks about a taxi driver that is not your normal taxi driver but a taxi driver with a kingdom purpose. I find forms of redemption are in these stories. In the Old Testament I get the sense of a cycle of people calling/crying to God and God responding. I wonder if God would limit a working to the people of God who are crying or finding a creative way to make the world better or shall i say find a way to redeem a broken people.
I think in the story of Invincible the city of Philadelphia is redeemed,given hope in a time of despair when many people were on strike and losing their livelihoods. These people are given hope when one of their native sons joins the team and gives the people hope. While that might seem like a stretch of a 'redemptive story.' I would suggest that possible our idea of redemption has been put in a straight jacket by the North American Church. The redemption is something to do with sin. Well i find this having to do with social sins or as Walter Wink calls them The Powers That Be. The city is involved in a sin of capitalism of dehumanizing the people working at plants arguing over money. But I think the movie Gridiron Gangs reveals a stronger story of redemption in the lives of people.
Gridiron gangs is about social workers working at a youth detention centre realizing that their method are not really reforming the youth since almost all the youth leave the detention and fall back into their lifestyle that brought them to the detention hall. The social workers feel that maybe forming a football team would give them a better chance to reform and teach these youth that seem to be caught in this cyclical life of living in poverty leading to crime leading to prison and thus leaving their kids to a life of poverty and so forth. This team by the end of the movie have learnt to live for something better. People who were forever called 'losers' are given a chance to be something different. This chance that i sense a lot of us feel is a right in a 'democratic' country, but is lost due to the life sucking force of poverty. These youth are transformed and 75% of the youth actually go onto a higher education or some kind of part of society. I find that these stories of youth brokenness being restored or given hope in a life of despair. If that isn't redemption...then i don't know what redemption is.....
I think while I watch these movies on a plane recently...I wondered if the glaring truth of these stories were not ordinary people acting extraordinarily. I know that may sound like a form of romanticizing on my part. While, I acknowledge truth in this statement I think the deeper thing is that Jesus is involved in giving people another way of doing things. Anyways it is late and i am drained...but God is good and faithful. Amen!
The Greatest Truth Ever!!!!!
So I am still listening to those emergent podcast and just heard the greatest truth ever. I found such truth in this sentence...i am still thinking it through..but felt a need to share it with you (and by you i mean the maybe 4-9 that actually read this).
The saying is from David Wood:
You cannot possible be theologically orthodox if you are not first a friend.
Wow!!! Such a great phrase! I am just gonna let that idea sit with you...what do you thing??
The saying is from David Wood:
You cannot possible be theologically orthodox if you are not first a friend.
Wow!!! Such a great phrase! I am just gonna let that idea sit with you...what do you thing??
A day with Miroslav Volf.....
So over the past two days I have been catching up on listening to some pod casts. So I am in the stages of listen to the Emergent Theological conversation from this past February ( I know that I am almost a year behind, sorry). But, I have found these discussions to be helpful. This past year, probably the most difficult, thought provoking, mind changing book I read was Exclusion & Embrace by Miroslav Volf. Well he is the speaker at last years theological conversation. I am finding these conversation to be beyond helpful in working through his ideas of exclusion and embrace. I think this is one of the most important books that encompass a lot of the struggles of community in our world.
I am constantly amazed at his honesty, insights, respectfulness of other religions. I am almost giddy as i listen and inhale all the wisdom Volf and the others at these discussions give. What is particularly interesting is a discussion on homosexuality as how that fits within the idea of excluding people from the church. Jesus is often seen as including everyone into the body, but this seems to exclude homosexuals. If the church is inclusive this seems odd. I think the church has falsely adopted a purify yourself first attitude to those who do not fit within their moral understandings of what is required of the church. I find this is flawed and rooted in making us 'accept' Jesus to be saved. I find it interesting if salvation is a free gift of grace from God to humans, why does the church require people to do something? Is this not reverting back to a work based system pre- Martin Luther. Does the protestant church really want to reject the most fundamental reason for their formation. I imagine Luther rolls over in his grave every time the sinners prayer is said at a summer camp.
Has anyone listen to these podcast? if so please feel free to tell me your thoughts on them or anything on miroslav volf...
I am constantly amazed at his honesty, insights, respectfulness of other religions. I am almost giddy as i listen and inhale all the wisdom Volf and the others at these discussions give. What is particularly interesting is a discussion on homosexuality as how that fits within the idea of excluding people from the church. Jesus is often seen as including everyone into the body, but this seems to exclude homosexuals. If the church is inclusive this seems odd. I think the church has falsely adopted a purify yourself first attitude to those who do not fit within their moral understandings of what is required of the church. I find this is flawed and rooted in making us 'accept' Jesus to be saved. I find it interesting if salvation is a free gift of grace from God to humans, why does the church require people to do something? Is this not reverting back to a work based system pre- Martin Luther. Does the protestant church really want to reject the most fundamental reason for their formation. I imagine Luther rolls over in his grave every time the sinners prayer is said at a summer camp.
Has anyone listen to these podcast? if so please feel free to tell me your thoughts on them or anything on miroslav volf...
Thoughts on Walter Wink....
I don't think I am a very violent person. Actually, if anything I find I very passive in nature. I've never punched anyone. I would say pacifism is a natural way of life. However, pacifism as a way of life that avoids parts of life that requires force or violence is not really a pacifism that Jesus talks about. I think my thinking on pacifism have evolved to a thinking that Jesus wasn't a pacifist in a passive sense. Rather, in a very proactive sense. In reading The Powers That Be by Walter Wink, I have been mulling over what does it mean to act non-violently in a world that seemingly blindly accepts what Wink calls "The Myth of Redemptive Violence." What this myth deals with is the idea so violence brings peace. That when we confront problems of justice that we are able to use violence since our ends are valid.
However, Gandhi always said that if your end is a good end your means must be equally good. In this I find the truth that reveals the inherent sinfulness in any form of 'just war theory.' While some may say this is merely my pacifism shining through. I acknowledge this however Gandhi is by no means a pacifism but merely recognizes the lie that is found in the myth of redemptive violence. Gandhi even said that violence is preferred to cowardice. The fact that any kind of peace can come through violence is void and our world is a glaring example of this truth. Wink give countless examples of how in World War 2 how there were people within this war resisted to fight through violent measure and many were saved from concentration camps through these kind of non-violent methods.
Winks words still haunts me. How violence is so easy to give into. Wink however gives a quite good argument to that Jesus came to die for the worlds sins and this idea of redemptive violence is something of the world and the Powers are holding onto this lie of violence with all its might. However, that the cross exposes the lie of violence in its most dehumanizing form of cruxifiction, and reveal that it hold no real weight.
A question that I continually struggle with is the seemingly shift of talk of violence between the Old Testament and the New Testament. While the Old Testament, almost canonizes violence as God's ordained way of working through problems and Jesus, talks about violence as have no power in the Kingdom of God. Wink gives the idea that this violent God of the Old Testament is merely due to that the people of the Old Testament was violent. While that may be the case, i find this conclusion a bit escapist. Then how can these violent stories be part of the christian story, if they are mere people being violent thus inferring violence on God. I struggle with the conquest narrative in Christian Canon as merely a form of inferring violence on God. It seems that there needs to be a deeper discussion on this. Just a thought....
However, Gandhi always said that if your end is a good end your means must be equally good. In this I find the truth that reveals the inherent sinfulness in any form of 'just war theory.' While some may say this is merely my pacifism shining through. I acknowledge this however Gandhi is by no means a pacifism but merely recognizes the lie that is found in the myth of redemptive violence. Gandhi even said that violence is preferred to cowardice. The fact that any kind of peace can come through violence is void and our world is a glaring example of this truth. Wink give countless examples of how in World War 2 how there were people within this war resisted to fight through violent measure and many were saved from concentration camps through these kind of non-violent methods.
Winks words still haunts me. How violence is so easy to give into. Wink however gives a quite good argument to that Jesus came to die for the worlds sins and this idea of redemptive violence is something of the world and the Powers are holding onto this lie of violence with all its might. However, that the cross exposes the lie of violence in its most dehumanizing form of cruxifiction, and reveal that it hold no real weight.
A question that I continually struggle with is the seemingly shift of talk of violence between the Old Testament and the New Testament. While the Old Testament, almost canonizes violence as God's ordained way of working through problems and Jesus, talks about violence as have no power in the Kingdom of God. Wink gives the idea that this violent God of the Old Testament is merely due to that the people of the Old Testament was violent. While that may be the case, i find this conclusion a bit escapist. Then how can these violent stories be part of the christian story, if they are mere people being violent thus inferring violence on God. I struggle with the conquest narrative in Christian Canon as merely a form of inferring violence on God. It seems that there needs to be a deeper discussion on this. Just a thought....
Thoughts on Rodney Clapp...
Well the last little while there have been many things going on in mind. I am not sure if that is always a good thing. I am in a time of questioning many things in life. Particularly the next step in life. This is mostly done by what I read. One of the books I just finished is A Peculiar People by Rodney Clapp. As I was wondering about the book I was struck by the sense that this book is 10 years old, but spoke so deeply and profoundly to this journey I find myself on in a post-modern age.
The idea that Clapp often works on is how the Church ceased being the Church when Constantine made Christianity the state religion. This thought seems so prevalent and truthful to me and our age. I often cringe at how the church in America and to a lesser extend in Canada feels they are the morality police. I find that simply makes the church more irrelevant(sorry i can't think of a more precise and less trite term). The way Clapp describes why some believers feel the need to be morality police or in a post-Constantine age becoming more distant from speaking anything pertiant or valuable to the world. I find this more true in very 'Right' sectors in the states. I find this solution not a real solution. I believe that the world has truth in it, and by the church attempting to distance them selves and showing others their faults of others is somehow not helpful in the journey of many people trying to understand what it means to live faithfully to God in a post-modern time.
I think Clapp gives me hope. He seems to make church important in this age that no longer sees anything the church/bible/ Christians believes as normative . I believe we are the first age that is confronting these issues since the early church. I believes these times are confusing and frustrating, especially for myself when we have certain sectors wanting to hold onto a Constantine worldview. When I read Clapp I just want to stand up and say 'Amen'! It lets me breath in the midst of my former evangelical worldview crumbling apart. Not that this crumbling is a bad thing, but i seem to have a hard time having conversation what i can do to restore hope or someways that all this crumbling isn't a bad thing.
Clapp and a lot of emergent dialogue give me hope. The only problem is that i find this dialogue to be almost exclusively American. Its funny i go to this 'emergent' type of church in Winnipeg. Ever week it seems that i run to that service every Sunday night at 7, since I need God and what this service holds that every week i need it to sustain my life. Maybe that is due to my ever evolving theology of communion. But I find that i enjoy dreaming of a post-Constantine church, because i sense that what the church gave away to Constantine, we can now take back.
Lastly, a bit of a radical thought( i think at least). In the last chapter, Clapp proposes that what the church/christian are meant to be at the most fundamental level is to be friends. I find this to be beautiful, true , and simple. I think we are all friends or have the capability of being a friend. I assume that many would reject the notion that being a friend can be the root of the christian life. But, somehow i believe it is true. I am sure some evangelical that would want to suffocate me with some misguided notions of pieity(sp?) as the root of authentic Christians.
I often find that we hear notions that people feel alone in this time. We are all looking for a group of people to share life with. This sounds simple/profound. But I feel that friendship encompasses what the world needs. I get the sense that is what Jesus did, he made friends giving them life in the process freeing them from the bondage of the purity system. Just a thought. If we struggle to be christian in these post-modern times maybe beginning at being a friend without an agenda to evangelize other would bring some beautiful that doesn't need more people pushing agendas.
The idea that Clapp often works on is how the Church ceased being the Church when Constantine made Christianity the state religion. This thought seems so prevalent and truthful to me and our age. I often cringe at how the church in America and to a lesser extend in Canada feels they are the morality police. I find that simply makes the church more irrelevant(sorry i can't think of a more precise and less trite term). The way Clapp describes why some believers feel the need to be morality police or in a post-Constantine age becoming more distant from speaking anything pertiant or valuable to the world. I find this more true in very 'Right' sectors in the states. I find this solution not a real solution. I believe that the world has truth in it, and by the church attempting to distance them selves and showing others their faults of others is somehow not helpful in the journey of many people trying to understand what it means to live faithfully to God in a post-modern time.
I think Clapp gives me hope. He seems to make church important in this age that no longer sees anything the church/bible/ Christians believes as normative . I believe we are the first age that is confronting these issues since the early church. I believes these times are confusing and frustrating, especially for myself when we have certain sectors wanting to hold onto a Constantine worldview. When I read Clapp I just want to stand up and say 'Amen'! It lets me breath in the midst of my former evangelical worldview crumbling apart. Not that this crumbling is a bad thing, but i seem to have a hard time having conversation what i can do to restore hope or someways that all this crumbling isn't a bad thing.
Clapp and a lot of emergent dialogue give me hope. The only problem is that i find this dialogue to be almost exclusively American. Its funny i go to this 'emergent' type of church in Winnipeg. Ever week it seems that i run to that service every Sunday night at 7, since I need God and what this service holds that every week i need it to sustain my life. Maybe that is due to my ever evolving theology of communion. But I find that i enjoy dreaming of a post-Constantine church, because i sense that what the church gave away to Constantine, we can now take back.
Lastly, a bit of a radical thought( i think at least). In the last chapter, Clapp proposes that what the church/christian are meant to be at the most fundamental level is to be friends. I find this to be beautiful, true , and simple. I think we are all friends or have the capability of being a friend. I assume that many would reject the notion that being a friend can be the root of the christian life. But, somehow i believe it is true. I am sure some evangelical that would want to suffocate me with some misguided notions of pieity(sp?) as the root of authentic Christians.
I often find that we hear notions that people feel alone in this time. We are all looking for a group of people to share life with. This sounds simple/profound. But I feel that friendship encompasses what the world needs. I get the sense that is what Jesus did, he made friends giving them life in the process freeing them from the bondage of the purity system. Just a thought. If we struggle to be christian in these post-modern times maybe beginning at being a friend without an agenda to evangelize other would bring some beautiful that doesn't need more people pushing agendas.
Sunday, January 07, 2007
Korea.....
So I got back from South Korea on Saturday. I sort of had a 'odd' experience. So how shall I say this...I hope I never step foot in that country ever again!
I'm not sure what it was about Seoul and S. Korea, but it rubbed me the wrong way. First off..the pollution in Seoul is disgusting. The worst part is that it effected my mind so i couldn't think straight...or even be outside walking in Seoul for more than 5 hours before my mind would get really foggy. I remember talking with Trisha in her apartment and I had a hard time even putting sentences together..without hurting.
Secondly, I was surprised at the materialism. It makes the US and Canada look like poor countries with there emphasis on having the name brand stuff. I know we have that in N. America, but not to the degree as the Koreans have it.
Thirdly, I feel bad for women in Korea. I got this overwhelming sense that women's top priority is getting married. A lot of the women I meet were obsessed with this fact. Also the way people talked about marriage is that the men choose the women. I was often congratulated on my 'choice' of Trisha. Since, Trisha had no say in the matter it was my mere choosing of her. That really rubbed me badly.
Well those are just a few of the things I didn't like about the Korean culture. All in all I am glad I don't have to live there. I think I'd kill myself. Canada Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure what it was about Seoul and S. Korea, but it rubbed me the wrong way. First off..the pollution in Seoul is disgusting. The worst part is that it effected my mind so i couldn't think straight...or even be outside walking in Seoul for more than 5 hours before my mind would get really foggy. I remember talking with Trisha in her apartment and I had a hard time even putting sentences together..without hurting.
Secondly, I was surprised at the materialism. It makes the US and Canada look like poor countries with there emphasis on having the name brand stuff. I know we have that in N. America, but not to the degree as the Koreans have it.
Thirdly, I feel bad for women in Korea. I got this overwhelming sense that women's top priority is getting married. A lot of the women I meet were obsessed with this fact. Also the way people talked about marriage is that the men choose the women. I was often congratulated on my 'choice' of Trisha. Since, Trisha had no say in the matter it was my mere choosing of her. That really rubbed me badly.
Well those are just a few of the things I didn't like about the Korean culture. All in all I am glad I don't have to live there. I think I'd kill myself. Canada Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Friday, December 15, 2006
Best Books of 2006
Well 2006 has been a good year for books. I felt i have learned a lot this year from many amazing author. I thougth i'd share a couple of the highlights.
The Call to Conversion: Jim Wallis
Repenting of Religion: Gregory Boyd
Through Painted Desserts: Donald Miller
The Post-evangleical: Dave Tomlinson
Why Men are the Way they are: Warren Farrel
The Secret Message of Jesus: Brian McLaren
Are Women Human: Dorothy Sayers
The Beauty Myth: Naomi Wolf
Meeting Jesus again for the First Time: Marcus Borg
The Search to Belong: Joseph Meyers
The Younger Evangelicals: Robert Webber
The Prophetic Imagination: Walter Bruggemann
The Jesus Creed: Scot McKnight
Practicing Passion: Kenda Creasy Dean
Exclusion & Embrace: Miroslav Volf
Velvet Elvis: Rob Bell
The Great Giveaway: David Fitch
Evangelical Theology-An Introduction: Karl Barth
Tortured Wonders: Rodney Clapp
The Irresistible Revolution: Shane Caliborne
The Call to Conversion: Jim Wallis
Repenting of Religion: Gregory Boyd
Through Painted Desserts: Donald Miller
The Post-evangleical: Dave Tomlinson
Why Men are the Way they are: Warren Farrel
The Secret Message of Jesus: Brian McLaren
Are Women Human: Dorothy Sayers
The Beauty Myth: Naomi Wolf
Meeting Jesus again for the First Time: Marcus Borg
The Search to Belong: Joseph Meyers
The Younger Evangelicals: Robert Webber
The Prophetic Imagination: Walter Bruggemann
The Jesus Creed: Scot McKnight
Practicing Passion: Kenda Creasy Dean
Exclusion & Embrace: Miroslav Volf
Velvet Elvis: Rob Bell
The Great Giveaway: David Fitch
Evangelical Theology-An Introduction: Karl Barth
Tortured Wonders: Rodney Clapp
The Irresistible Revolution: Shane Caliborne
Friday, December 08, 2006
Where do you sit on the Evangometer?
Well you might be wonder what a 'Evangometer' is..and asking why is Chris making up words. Actually, I found the word in an article 'An evangelical body, broken for you . . . into six convenient types' by Anna Bowen found in the recent issue of Geez Magazine(http://www.geezmagazine.org/issue4/anevangelicalbody.html). An 'evangometer' is tells how evangelical you are. This is an interesting point as in the last couple years the word evangelical has become harder to define.
I feel Bowen does a good job. I have a couple of interesting points. Under Liberal Evangelicals she puts Rick Warren, C.S. Lewis, and Bono. Wow that is quite a contrast of people..first off don't think anyone has called Warren a liberal before, but i have realized he has been critized by the religious right for his involvement in Africa with a AIDS pandemic. The other interesting point is that both Bono and Lewis are really controversial. Bono some think is a universalist, and Lewis..is one of those people that evangelicals revere..but as Brian McLaren pointed out in his brillant book 'A New Kind of Christain' that people sometimes don't want to hear it in a sermon.
The other interesting point is the 'emergent evangelical' first off..i am impressed that Bowen put the emergetn type relevtively high on the evangometer. But i have no idea what the Vintage Church is. I feel i am fairly fluent in emergent lingo..and have yet to come across this term. But all in all i feel that Bowen assess the group fairly.
But, my main criticsm for Bowen is to do with Christian Leftists. I think the people she lumps into this group is a bit rash. I feel the distinction she makes between the Christian Leftist and the Social Justice Folks. I guess my main disagreement is with her putting Jim Wallis and John Shelby Spong in the same group. Personally, i feel Wallis is a modern-day Prophet. I don't know what distinguishes him from the socail justice folk. So yeah..just a brief summary of the article..if you get a chance to pick up Geez, it is definately worth it...espeically if you feel uncomfortable in the conservative church...probably feel...i have found a home. Hope you enjoy...
I feel Bowen does a good job. I have a couple of interesting points. Under Liberal Evangelicals she puts Rick Warren, C.S. Lewis, and Bono. Wow that is quite a contrast of people..first off don't think anyone has called Warren a liberal before, but i have realized he has been critized by the religious right for his involvement in Africa with a AIDS pandemic. The other interesting point is that both Bono and Lewis are really controversial. Bono some think is a universalist, and Lewis..is one of those people that evangelicals revere..but as Brian McLaren pointed out in his brillant book 'A New Kind of Christain' that people sometimes don't want to hear it in a sermon.
The other interesting point is the 'emergent evangelical' first off..i am impressed that Bowen put the emergetn type relevtively high on the evangometer. But i have no idea what the Vintage Church is. I feel i am fairly fluent in emergent lingo..and have yet to come across this term. But all in all i feel that Bowen assess the group fairly.
But, my main criticsm for Bowen is to do with Christian Leftists. I think the people she lumps into this group is a bit rash. I feel the distinction she makes between the Christian Leftist and the Social Justice Folks. I guess my main disagreement is with her putting Jim Wallis and John Shelby Spong in the same group. Personally, i feel Wallis is a modern-day Prophet. I don't know what distinguishes him from the socail justice folk. So yeah..just a brief summary of the article..if you get a chance to pick up Geez, it is definately worth it...espeically if you feel uncomfortable in the conservative church...probably feel...i have found a home. Hope you enjoy...
Tuesday, December 05, 2006
Are we getting ready.....
So recently I have been thinking how hard it is to practice or participate in Advent. I was in Best Buy today and got this overwhelming sense that the emphasis on Gifts creates a world in which the real reason for Christmas is subverted. Currently I am preparing a small 'talk' for the College and Career Christmas Banquet and am having a hard way concentrating on what to say. While in the line today....any idea of waiting, which is what advent is for...is lost..can a christian practice or participate in advent with all the emphasis on buying, hurry, etc. Just wondering...if anyone has some thoughts on this...please share...
Friday, December 01, 2006
Do you hear it....
Recently i had a chance to attend something called 'Hearing the Silence' at providence college. It was an event that was put on by St. Benedict Table. The event is based that "at the heart of Christian worship lies silence, and in that stillness we, like the prophet Elijah before us, learn to attend to the power of the still, small voice."
I think i have been drawn to silence and stillness more and more over the last couples years. I find the power that lies with in silence penetrates my soul. The space created by silence I believe is a place where God can speak to us. In Rob Bell' Nooma video 'Noise' ..he identifies with this silence. "Does my schedule , my time, my life look like that of a person who wants to hear God's voice." I think this is a dilemma. We live in a world that tells us we need to be busy doing things...while Jesus constantly took time to be still before God. Do the actions of Jesus lead us towards reorienting our Life around our savior...and listening to our creator?
Is there a trend in our world that emphasises doing over being. Like our worth is found in what we do not who we are? One of the most profound times in my life is when i was still before God...not knowing where my life was going..almost feeling like i was aimlessly wandering...as i walked a long the white cliffs in Dover..not talking..not thinking..just being...I heard God' voice. God spoke in a way..that penetrated my soul...so deeply that all i can do was cry. Be in the presence of God. Knowing that was enough. I think in my life i struggle with that...idea..having to do stuff..fill my life with stuff..to gain 'worth' in God's eyes...but i am constantly reminded that this is not the case.
Just want to close with what the essence of this time is...and actually what i feel every time i go to St. Benedict's...i feel they create space...to commune with the Holy God....
The quiet, contemplative singing of Biblical texts
is a kind of centering prayer.
Often the text of a song will be sung repetitively in order to let
the words sink into out minds and then out hearts
We are freed in this kind of worship
to still our hearts and appreciate the presence of
the living God in the midst of His people.
We gather to enjoy the presence of
the Blessed Trinity
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The incense is an outward and visible sign of the
prayers of God's people ascending
to His heavenly throne.
Icons are used in the eastern Christian tradition
as windows which point beyond themselves
to the transcendence of the Holy Trinity.
Let God speak to your hearts this day.
I think i have been drawn to silence and stillness more and more over the last couples years. I find the power that lies with in silence penetrates my soul. The space created by silence I believe is a place where God can speak to us. In Rob Bell' Nooma video 'Noise' ..he identifies with this silence. "Does my schedule , my time, my life look like that of a person who wants to hear God's voice." I think this is a dilemma. We live in a world that tells us we need to be busy doing things...while Jesus constantly took time to be still before God. Do the actions of Jesus lead us towards reorienting our Life around our savior...and listening to our creator?
Is there a trend in our world that emphasises doing over being. Like our worth is found in what we do not who we are? One of the most profound times in my life is when i was still before God...not knowing where my life was going..almost feeling like i was aimlessly wandering...as i walked a long the white cliffs in Dover..not talking..not thinking..just being...I heard God' voice. God spoke in a way..that penetrated my soul...so deeply that all i can do was cry. Be in the presence of God. Knowing that was enough. I think in my life i struggle with that...idea..having to do stuff..fill my life with stuff..to gain 'worth' in God's eyes...but i am constantly reminded that this is not the case.
Just want to close with what the essence of this time is...and actually what i feel every time i go to St. Benedict's...i feel they create space...to commune with the Holy God....
The quiet, contemplative singing of Biblical texts
is a kind of centering prayer.
Often the text of a song will be sung repetitively in order to let
the words sink into out minds and then out hearts
We are freed in this kind of worship
to still our hearts and appreciate the presence of
the living God in the midst of His people.
We gather to enjoy the presence of
the Blessed Trinity
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The incense is an outward and visible sign of the
prayers of God's people ascending
to His heavenly throne.
Icons are used in the eastern Christian tradition
as windows which point beyond themselves
to the transcendence of the Holy Trinity.
Let God speak to your hearts this day.
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